[MR2] MR2 Digest, Vol 50, Issue 22
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> 1. Re: MR2 - a forgiving car (William Brandt)
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> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:06:57 -0700
> From: "William Brandt" <wbrandt1 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "STEVEN M HAUSHERR" <hausherrs at sbcglobal.net>, <bsdavies at q.com>,
> "Thomas Ethen" <cacanne at chibardun.net>
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> Subject: Re: [MR2] MR2 - a forgiving car
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> I didn't notice much in mine Steven with or without the swaybar. Remember too that your 911 is rear engined - the mid engine layout is inherently better balanced.
>
> Jerry Seinfeld is an avid Porsche collector - and I love what he said - in essence the Germans design a car that is inherently the least balanced with all that weight behind the rear wheels - and then through brilliant engineering make it world class.
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> They even used titanium valves fercryinoutloud to save a pound or 2.
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> Bill
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> From: STEVEN M HAUSHERR
> To: bsdavies at q.com ; Thomas Ethen
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> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [MR2] MR2 - a forgiving car
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> I dont know much about the mk1. I cant imagine any sporty car without a rear sway bar. Thats just crazy... I only say this because I recently broke the sway bar on my '05 911 and it was night and day. Very noticeable. When you are going around a turn such as a long sweeping ramp from one freeway to another it feels like the back end wiggles as you bounce over every bump and lots of body roll. Scary. I replaced my stock bar with an H&R and put it on the second stiffest setting (Out of 4 to choose). You can feel every bump, pebble, bottle cap, twig, etc. Thats a super rigid sway bar. I wouldn't want my MR2 to be that rigid because I want to drive it more often then any of my other cars. The 911 is a straight up track car. Nothing about it is comfort and the more rigid the better. Which is why I went with the 24mm solid sway bar. Stock was 19mm hollow. If you want better performance and less comfort then get the sway bar. If you are tracking it then I would guess you will be able to take the corners much harder and faster if you had a sway bar. But I have never ridden in a mk1.
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> Thanks,
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> Steven
> 91T
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> From: "bsdavies at q.com" <bsdavies at q.com>
> To: Thomas Ethen <cacanne at chibardun.net>
> Cc: wbrandt1 at sbcglobal.net; MR2 List <mr2 at mr2.com>
> Sent: Wed, June 29, 2011 10:14:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [MR2] MR2 - a forgiving car
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> Tom, that brings up a question:
> I started driving my MK1 on track little while ago. It is an 87 and doesnt have the rear sway bar. I can tell when the rear end is starting to let go.
> Should I add a sway bar? What difference will I notice?
> thanks
> Barry
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Ethen" <cacanne at chibardun.net>
> To: wbrandt1 at sbcglobal.net, "MR2 List" <mr2 at mr2.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 4:51:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [MR2] MR2 - a forgiving car
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> I find great joy in leading someone that is tailgating me into a corner as I
> slowly accelerate until they loose control of their vehicle. Sounds like you
> had the same kind of fun, that is built into the MKI, especially the 85's
> with that rear sway bar.
>
> Tom
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> On 6/29/11 5:38 PM, "William Brandt" <wbrandt1 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>> Well might as well tell you my story yesterday - leaving work - it is pouring
>> rain - people can't drive in it it seems.
>>
>> I am on an onramp with a nice 120 degree cloverleaf turn - I notice the car
>> just starting to slip so I back off a bit - guy driving some pickup on my
>> inner lane loses it and I see him spin into the guard rail.
>>
>> Bill
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> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:29:18 -0700
> From: Joel <priamyd at comcast.net>
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> Subject: Re: [MR2] MR2 - a forgiving car
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> Barry,
>
> I could feel the difference between on my MKI Mr2 when the sway bar was
> connected or not.
>
> I would state (with gross personal bias) that any vehicle without a rear
> sway bar simply does not handle correctly, or the driver is numb to the
> feel of the vehicle.
>
> Originally, my 86 Mr2 did not come with a sway bar, but the previous
> owner did put one on. Purely for the sake of the experience I drove it
> without it - I felt a very specific lack of control of the rear of the
> Mr2 without it, let alone the dreaded onset of unwanted understeer. The
> same overall feeling can be experienced with a rear sway bar that does
> not react correctly - I know sounds weird, but I can feel when the rear
> sway bar becomes active and when it is not. Its also a matter of when
> the strut/spring settles to the point of 'calling upon' the rear sway
> bar to perform its task.
>
> The best piece of advice that I could pass along to any person wanting
> to upgrade their sway bars - get a matched set. For instance, if you
> choose to run the factory front, also use the factory rear. If you get
> the Suspension Techniques front, also get the rear.
>
> If you choose to get a larger rear sway bar, you'll induce snap
> oversteer at the limit and the Mr2 would not feel as balanced or
> predictable during cornering.
>
> So, in short, I would recommend adding the factory rear sway bar. If
> you like the impact to the handling, look into a matched pair of
> upgraded sway bars, as they will decrease the amount of body roll you
> experience during cornering, and only mildly impact the overall ride
> harness when going over basic road imperfections.
>
> - Joel -
>
>
>
> bsdavies at q.com wrote:
>> Tom, that brings up a question:
>> I started driving my MK1 on track little while ago. It is an 87 and doesnt have the rear sway bar. I can tell when the rear end is starting to let go.
>> Should I add a sway bar? What difference will I notice?
>> thanks
>> Barry
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Thomas Ethen" <cacanne at chibardun.net>
>> To: wbrandt1 at sbcglobal.net, "MR2 List" <mr2 at mr2.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 4:51:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MR2] MR2 - a forgiving car
>>
>> I find great joy in leading someone that is tailgating me into a corner as I
>> slowly accelerate until they loose control of their vehicle. Sounds like you
>> had the same kind of fun, that is built into the MKI, especially the 85's
>> with that rear sway bar.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 6/29/11 5:38 PM, "William Brandt" <wbrandt1 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Well might as well tell you my story yesterday - leaving work - it is pouring
>>> rain - people can't drive in it it seems.
>>>
>>> I am on an onramp with a nice 120 degree cloverleaf turn - I notice the car
>>> just starting to slip so I back off a bit - guy driving some pickup on my
>>> inner lane loses it and I see him spin into the guard rail.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>
>>
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