[MR2] 5 point harness

[Ted Volkman]

>It is astonishing to me that we have people on here suggesting that
> strapping yourself to a stock seat is safer than a 5-point harness bolted
> to the firewall. What are you guys thinking? Stock seats are not very
> strong in the first place, and not at all built to support you in a crash.

Even though Barry already addressed this, I would like to address this as
well, seeing as how "we have people on here" that seem to have trouble with
reading comprehension.

-The original question/ problem was how to control one's body under
cornering loads.  NEVER was there a question of: "How do I make myself safer
in the event of a crash?"  My answer addressed the question specifically
posed.

-NEVER did I suggest that this was in any way safer than a five point
harness.  I never even made an allusion that a chest strap was in any way
safety related.  Its not.  It is strictly an aid to maintain a better
driving position.

I know you have a lot of racing experience and often make valuable
contributions, but please take the time to read what was actually written
before chastising others that are actually addressing the topic at hand.

--
Ted
02 IS300 L-tuned, 5 speed
94 Supra 6 speed, 67mm, aem
93 Mr2 gen3 3sgte, t3/t4, 264s, aem
98 Honda VFR800


On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:28 AM, BARRY S DAVIES <bsdavies at q.com> wrote:

>
> David,
> unless I missed a couple of posts, I've not seen anyone suggest a stock
> seat is safer than a 5 point harness. Anyway, it sounds like you have solved
> the problem I am looking to solve. My thought initially was to use the
> firewall for the anchor points, but that I would need to reinforce it with a
> steel bar behind, so as not to pull through it. The problem is, there is a
> lot of "stuff" running along the engine side of the firewall that pretty
> much precluded that. Are you saying that in your experience just the metal
> of the firewall, perhaps with some pretty large washers, is strong enough? I
> would appreciate any details you could offer of your set up.
>
> And just to be clear of my purpose here - I am not, and do not intend, to
> be using this for racing. This is HPDE stuff (High Perfrormance Driving
> Experience). Passing by point by only, and only at certain sections of the
> track.
> In reality, it is far safer than being out on the open road.
>
> cheers
> Barry
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:02:03 -0500
> > From: hillman at planet-torque.com
> > To: mr2 at mr2.com
> > Subject: Re: [MR2] 5 point harness
> >
> >
> > It is astonishing to me that we have people on here suggesting that
> > strapping yourself to a stock seat is safer than a 5-point harness bolted
> > to the firewall. What are you guys thinking? Stock seats are not very
> > strong in the first place, and not at all built to support you in a
> crash.
> >
> > The firewall is not the strongest thing in the world, no, but it is
> > pretty stout and, more to the point, quite a bit stronger than your neck.
> > Unless you are wearing a HANS, your neck is going to break before your
> > harness causes structural failure in the firewall ( or probably any other
> > part of the chassis ).
> >
> > Yes, I race my mk1 w2w with a harness bolted to the firewall. The car
> > has about 175 races on it now, and the firewall is, not surprisingly,
> > intact, despite the fact that we've been hit hard enough to bend the
> > chassis into a ).
> >
> > --
> > David Hillman
> >
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