mr2-digest Friday, January 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 081 Re: MR2 Japan 3sgte...if your serious... MR2 Re: MkII Custom Side Vents? MR2 BOUGHT MKI STILL WANT MKII TURBO MR2 88 T-TOP SHADES FOR SALE Re: MR2 anti-speeding drivel MR2 New MR?..?? Re: MR2 insurance rates Re MR2 MKII: Where to mount Electronic Devices Re: MR2 MkI Feeling a little droopy!! MR2 Humor: Car Salesmen RE: MR2 knock sensor LED MR2 MK1 TOMS LIKE AIR SCOOP! RE: MR2 - MK1 Problems with Emmisions MK1 MR2 back window A LA HONDA DEL SOL Re: MR2 Re: Mk I air vent MR2 meet in PHILLY MR2 How to take off Gauge Needles? Re: MR2 re: cd changer RE: MR2 knock sensor LED ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:11:07 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: Re: MR2 Japan 3sgte...if your serious... > That's what i noticed too. I'm not sure when the 245hp came out either. > It has everything so how easy would it to be to drop it in a US mr2? What > about CA smog? CA Smog...if your really serious heres what you do.... in cal, every two years you change out your motor...IF your serious. (or register it "off road") if your gonna break the law... BREAK IT!...no'mo scooby-do! terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:13:26 +0800 From: sirmike Subject: MR2 Re: MkII Custom Side Vents? Matt Gawlowski wrote: > > that on th elist before too. Well basically I would want to get some > > plastic covering the vent.. Maybe stick out an inch in the fron and > > taper in a little. I'm thinking that the air that is trapped there would > > then have no where to go but in the side vent. > > > > You may want to also check out the Aeroware side scoops, possibly to use > in addition to the scheme you mentioned. They stick out farther than > the stock vents, maybe by as much as an inch. > > -Matt G., '91 White NA hehe funny you should mention I just got a set today from a guy in NJ. They're still grey and the workmanship isn't so good, but it's ok. (The lines like the bottom edge are not perfectly straight) but I guess I'll have a body shop fix that when I get them painted.. I just hope if I decide to add the 'covers' they won't cluuter the look/style of the car.. Mike C ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:21:25 -0500 From: "Ardell L. Simon" Subject: MR2 BOUGHT MKI STILL WANT MKII TURBO Well, I NEEDED a car to bounce around in so I found a real cheap MKI. It's a red 88(yes I do not want red...but it was cheap!) with 96K miles...VERY clean interior and trunks. It has t-tops, but no cruise. Engine sounds real good, but the clutch is slipping A LOT(any recommendations?). I bought it PRE-DENTED so I will not have to take care of that. There is a ding in the driver side rear quarter and the p-side front fender. It's been over 2.5 years since I have owned my 86 and I can say that it is REALLY FUN to be back in an MKI, BUT I STILL WANT A 93+ TURBO!!!! Still MR2SHOPPING Jeff F ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:23:11 -0500 From: "Ardell L. Simon" Subject: MR2 88 T-TOP SHADES FOR SALE The 88 I just bought came with the black t-top shades in excellent condition and the BAGS! First $55 takes them......I will not use them and it really looks like the previous owner didn't use them either! Jeff F ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:42:07 -0500 From: "Ardell L. Simon" Subject: Re: MR2 anti-speeding drivel >Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:40:26 -0500 >To: David Kucharczyk >From: "Ardell L. Simon" >Subject: Re: MR2 anti-speeding drivel > >If my may be so bold as to put a word in.....I know Ron personally and have ridden with him. I know he doesn;t really have a problem with the fact that teh person was DRIVING that fast....his problem was with the 10 year old in the car. THIS point I agree on....the kid is a minor, and the driver HAS RESPONSIBILITY to that CHILD. I ALWAYS respect the wishes of my passengers....I have been asked to slow down and I do....I have a kid in the car the last thing I do is speed. > >Yes 140 in a prepped car with an alert driver is no biggie to me....public roads or not. >BUT with a 10 yr old that will reach out and grab, move , scream AND genereally distract...BAD IDEA > > >just my .02 > > >Jeff F ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:41:30 EST From: Spider1979 Subject: MR2 New MR?..?? I very recently saw something in a auto mag that said toyota was going to make a new MR.. but it was to be called the MR-S, or something like that.. can anyone lend a hand to it.. i just remember the picture.. it wasnt what i would call an MR-anything.. but i liked it.... it looked alot like the Toyota version of a Boxter..(Porsche, my first love ...) But it didnt have that "look" that an MR2 has.. the one that made me want one.. the look like it might not be much.. or maybe.. but it still looks like it might be an econo car, hidden behind an over-sized rear wing, and a pair of pop-up head lights.. and then you get to blow the doors off the 17year old punk that has the 68olds that "can pound anything from Germany to Japan"...I feel like that is the moment that all MR2 owners love, when other people realize that just because it says Toyota, doesnt mean that its not fun, and they definitly have the balls that we are all looking for in a car, and i love to prove to others that it is worthy of "Real car status"... I almost took a 1971 eldorado (in great condition) from one of my mothers oldest friends that thought he could beat me in a 14mile straight away... he said he would race me for pinks.. (that was one of the better moments in my life..shallow, perhaps, but fun.) i think i was over 100 before he was off the line... and im not sure.. but i think he was running out of gas towards the end.. I love my Car.. anyway..enough rambling... David... the pixie boy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:32:06 EST From: Conti64542 Subject: Re: MR2 insurance rates In a message dated 98-01-04 23:22:52 EST, you write: > I once read the name and forget what this type of insurance company is > called, but it relates to whether the insurance company is 'investor owned' > or 'insured owned'. Basically, they take in premiums, and if claims are > lower then expected, then the overage is refunded back to the payers That would be a "mutual" incsurance company. - -Renni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 20:27:35 -0800 From: Byron Subject: Re MR2 MKII: Where to mount Electronic Devices I mounted my APEXi EBC under the bottom shelf in the center console box, but this location makes it pretty hard to look at the display unless you use the mirror and read backwards. I mounted the HKS turbo timer with double sided tape on the left side of the steering wheel underpanel (Lower No. 1 Finish Panel). Byron Johnson 93 Turbo SF Bay Area ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 23:42:10 -0500 From: Barry Hart Subject: Re: MR2 MkI Feeling a little droopy!! Tony Digregorio wrote: > Has anyone else had a problem with "saggy"door hinges??? > My driver's side door is sitting about 1/4 inch lower than it should be > which is in turn causing closing problems as well as window seal > problems... > Does anyone make a good quality hinge replacement kit or will I have to > order factory replacement hinges to fix this problem?? > > Also, how do I get hold of the half clear, half amber front turn signal > lamp covers for my 89 NA?? > > Thanx, > Tony D I'm having the same problem also. If anyone knows how to clear this up please let me know. -B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 20:12:52 -0800 From: Bill Cochran Subject: MR2 Humor: Car Salesmen I knew Don was at the Ford Dealership, and I had to get a CD to him, so there I was cruising the new car lot in my '91T. I was driving really slow, looking left and right, trying to find him among the large lot of new cars. Now, vultures can spot a juicy fillet a mile away, but when I pulled right up to the showroom and turned my car off, that was all they could take. I looked up to find there were at least 3 inbound, and by the time I got ready to get out, this guy was actually helping me open the door!!! This dumb bird was just sure he was having steak for dinner, so I decided to play him, rather than just asking if he knew where my friend was. I got out and he asked "My I help you find something? ". And I replied, "Yes, I'm looking for a car that HANDLES REALLY WELL". He was taken aback, and after looking at me, then the car, and finally me again, he replied "Well, we have cars with LOTS of HANDLES". Maybe Vultures aren't that dumb after all :) Bill C '91 T '90 SHO ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:30:17 -0500 From: Chris Conlon Subject: RE: MR2 knock sensor LED Alex wrote: > According to the 2nd volume > of the BGB, the knock sensor is basically a variable resistor. By > monitoring the wire between the sensor and the ECU, we can determine if the > engine is experiencing knocking. Question is, when it knocks, is this wire > at a certain voltage (6 or 12V?) like on the page mentioned above, or is it > grounded? On that page, it doesn't look like there was a step down of Is the mkiit knock sensor really that simple? Most, actually all, the knock sensors I know about use a piezo transducer or resonator, and some nontrivial circuitry to process the signal. If there is a simpler type, I'd love to get more info on it. (Sorry if I'm clueless here, I only have a mki) Anyway the output of most knock sensors is a bit more complicated than just a hi/lo voltage indication. But... (read on) > Anyone hook one up on their MR2? Does the knock sensor operate exactly like > on http://alabanza.com/tsnet/ledmod/howto.htm? The mod on this page (for a turbo Talon, or somesuch) doesn't actually hook the led to the knock sensor, but to a wastegate-related solenoid that the ECU uses to limit boost, which I guess it normally only does when knocking is detected. Thus the ECU does the tricky work of interpreting the signal for you, the led just monitors the ECU's response to knocking. I don't know, but probably there is some similar VSV in the mkiit, something the ECU can turn on or off to limit boost during knock. If there is, you'd probably be able to monitor it easily, and get the result you want. Someone who knows the mkiit turbo plumbing care to comment? Chris C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:07:20 PST From: "Todd klosnick" Subject: MR2 MK1 TOMS LIKE AIR SCOOP! I saw an ad in MR2 classifieds on MR2.com that said a company in Canada was mass producing TOMS LIKE air scoops but for an MK1! They run about 180.00. I have a few questions: 1. Has anyone installed this on there MR2? 2. Will this mod make my car go over 180 MPH?, if so where can I get custom made gauges that will read up to 200? Thanks Todd 87 MR2 stock but soon to be equipped w/ a toms air scoop to make it go faster than a Lamborgini. oh, go to my horrible web page at http://www.angelfire.com/pa/toddsmr2page or http://www.angelfire.com/pa/toddsmr2page2 my links don't work on my main pages but they do on my sub pages. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:11:00 -0500 From: Chris Conlon Subject: RE: MR2 - MK1 Problems with Emmisions Jason wrote: > At 11:42 PM 1/6/98 -0500, Chris Conlon wrote: > >If you pulled a wire completely, yes. But carbon resistor type wires break > >down slowly over time, so you can have a weak or marginal spark. It won't > >be obviously missing like with a pulled wire, but you may be getting late > >(retarded) ignition or incomplete ignition, both of which will give you > >high HCs without necessarily running really badly. Or you might be missing > >one time in 50 or 100, not too obvious but each miss dumps a full cylinder > >of HCs into the exhaust. > > Any way to test for "slow" wires? Just curious, how much for a set of good > wires (Nology or something like that)? Hmmm not that I know of. An LRC meter with really high voltage and frequency capability *might* show something, maybe. Not very practical in any case. Personally I use Magnecor wires, mainly because I expect them to outlast stock wires, and my boost levels won't be getting too much above stock. Enough people I respect seem to like Nology wires, such that I guess they are of some benefit, if properly installed/grounded, especially at higher boost levels. (I dislike the way they advertise, and currently choose not to buy from them, but please don't construe this as a science or engineering-based decision.) Chris C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:14:49 PST From: "Todd klosnick" Subject: MK1 MR2 back window A LA HONDA DEL SOL Awhile back, lets say about 2 year ago I saw an ad in MR2.com classifieds for a back window that somehow folds up and down for a MK1. Does anyone have any info on this? It said A LA DEL SOL in the ad but left no email just a phone #. I never called. I would be extremly interested in this if I could find something like that. Also, I've heard that a few people have gotton MK1's from Japan. How is this done? How much more does it cost or is it too much of a hassle. I'm just curious? Plus, wouldn't they have the steering wheel on the opposite side? Thanks Todd 87 MR2 VISIT MY AWFUL WEB PAGE AT: http://www.angelfire.com/pa/toddsmr2page or http://www.angelfire.com/pa/toddsmr2page2 The links on my first page don't work as of now. I'm having some problems w/ that but you can go to the second Url that I have listed and you can look at my other pages from there. Not much there though. Hope to get pictures of my MR2 up soon and my friends MR2's too and maybe take pictures of the MR2's that I see in my area and put them there. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:10:53 -0800 From: ahauswal Subject: Re: MR2 Re: Mk I air vent Sport Ridr wrote: > > This may sound dumb, but what is a NACA duct, is it a replacement side vent > for the MKI? I have thought many times about replacing the side intake vent > with a fiberglass fabricated piece that i could make look better than the > stock one, but havent put forth the effort, yet. > Mike Craig. > 86 MR2 Hi SportRidr, Not dumb at all. Made me think about what they really are; I just know the acronym and what they look like, never really tried to explain them to anyone before. Thanks for asking. The first NACA ducts I saw were were back in the '60's when NACA was "NASA". Best I remember, they first appeared on race cars in the SCCA CanAm series. A NACA duct is a flush mounted air inlet, unlike a "scoop" that protrudes into the airstream. Since it is flush mounted, it reduces drag, friction, and the frontal area of a vehicle. Oh, by the way, it won't collect things that scoops like to, like bugs, small birds, and all manner of airborne trash. The inlet area is tapered narrow at the front to wider at the rear. Some engineers determined the correct "divergence" of the duct opening. I think the duct works on the principle of location in the "low pressure" boundry area on a surface. The "pressure" generated by high speed air passing over it stuffs air into the duct and feeds air in gobs. I have a copy of a Road & Track article from the 1960's on NACA (NASA) ducts somewhere in storage. I started reading it many times, but it always put me to sleep. Hope I haven't done the same to you. Practical answer: NACA ducts look neat, work great, they're cheap, and they're light. Bill, keep me honest on this one. You or your support crew can probably add more. Have fun. Arnie '86 MKI ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 00:39:36 -0500 From: "Ardell L. Simon" Subject: MR2 meet in PHILLY There will be between 2-5 MR2's meeting at the BOSCOV'S end of the Franklin Mills Mall THIS Sunday Jan 12th(?). If anyone is interested in showing up you are welcome too!!! Jeff F ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 00:41:08 -0500 From: "Ardell L. Simon" Subject: MR2 How to take off Gauge Needles? Anyone know how to take off the gauge needles on an MKII to do a white face install??? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 20:21:08 -0800 From: ahauswal Subject: Re: MR2 re: cd changer Miller, Bill [PRI] wrote: > > > > Steve B will know for sure, but I think the gas tank is right behind the > fire wall. > > > No, the gas tank is not behind the fire wall, it's in the 'transmission' > tunnel. Very ingenious design, about as safe a place as it could be and > about as low as it could be. > > Bill Bill's right guys; at least that's where the fuel tank is also on my'86 MKI. I really can't make any recommendations on mounting your CD player other than stay away from about 2" either side of the center on the rear firewall. There's lots of tubes, pipes, etc., coming up from the fuel tank on the engine compartment side of the firewall. There are two captive 6mm nuts about 2/3 up the inside center rear of the firewall used to mount the vertical "glove box". You might be able to hang something off there if you don't plan on cornering too hard or spinning out. Bill! The fuel tank is the next big thing to go on my MKI. I've got a plan. Want to hear about it? BTW - I had that fuel tank out one Saturday. Some project. Cheers. Arnie. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:37:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Harry C. Wang" Subject: RE: MR2 knock sensor LED What about something timing related? Doesn't the ECU retard timing upon signals from the knock sensor? What about hooking up the LED to this function? I'm not sure how the ECU does it. A combination of electrical and mechanical outputs? On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Chris Conlon wrote: > Alex wrote: > > > According to the 2nd volume > > of the BGB, the knock sensor is basically a variable resistor. By > > monitoring the wire between the sensor and the ECU, we can determine if the > > engine is experiencing knocking. Question is, when it knocks, is this wire > > at a certain voltage (6 or 12V?) like on the page mentioned above, or is it > > grounded? On that page, it doesn't look like there was a step down of > > Is the mkiit knock sensor really that simple? Most, actually all, the knock > sensors I know about use a piezo transducer or resonator, and some nontrivial > circuitry to process the signal. If there is a simpler type, I'd love to > get more info on it. (Sorry if I'm clueless here, I only have a mki) > > Anyway the output of most knock sensors is a bit more complicated than just > a hi/lo voltage indication. But... (read on) > > > Anyone hook one up on their MR2? Does the knock sensor operate exactly like > > on http://alabanza.com/tsnet/ledmod/howto.htm? > > The mod on this page (for a turbo Talon, or somesuch) doesn't actually hook the > led to the knock sensor, but to a wastegate-related solenoid that the ECU uses > to limit boost, which I guess it normally only does when knocking is detected. > Thus the ECU does the tricky work of interpreting the signal for you, the led > just monitors the ECU's response to knocking. I don't know, but probably there > is some similar VSV in the mkiit, something the ECU can turn on or off to limit > boost during knock. If there is, you'd probably be able to monitor it easily, > and get the result you want. Someone who knows the mkiit turbo plumbing care > to comment? > > Chris C. > > ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V2 #81