mr2-digest Monday, January 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 065 Re: MR2 MK2 Add just for good laugh Re: MR2 O2sensor Re: MR2 hello from down under MR2 IMOC decals and a little venting Re: MR2 MKI NA top speed. Re: MR2 O2sensor MR2 Mk II - V6? New gears for E-153? Re: MR2 MKI NA top speed. Re: MR2 MKI NA top speed. MR2 mk-II radio security MR2 Re: mr2-digest V2 #63 Re: MR2 - 'organized' speeding Re: MR2 MKII package MR2 MKI: Top Speed, stop :-) MR2 Donation Address/TT wiring MR2 "trunk" scanning...got it! Re: MR2 Dwell meter: what is it? Re: MR2 MKI: Top Speed, stop :-) Re: MR2 MKI NA top speed. Re: MR2 Donation Address/TT wiring Re: MR2 - 'organized' speeding ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:44:51 -0400 From: bagdon@rust.net (S and K Bagdon) Subject: Re: MR2 MK2 Add just for good laugh >>> I just bought my MR2 about 2 months ago, and looked at a 91 grey NA. I was >>> also under the impression that grey was available for turbos only before >>> that as well. I also looked at a red automatic turbo that was either a 91 >>> or 92, not sure which anymore. >> >>Whoa! From the research I've done, there has *never* been a factory >>3S-GTE auto-tranny. If someone knows for sure to a 3S-GTE being offered >>with auto-tranny, please let me know. > >The auto tranny would not last long on a turbo..... Unless someone deliberately beat the crap out of, I think we'd all be suprised with the durability of the auto trans. Comparing apples to oranges, I found out this evening that the '94+(?) Camry V6 manual uses a 1M-ZFE engine and an E-153 tranny - same as the '91+ MR2 manual tranny. It would have been interesting to find out what the auto tranny was for the 1M-ZFE (forgot to ask), but I would suspect that it would be something like the A240/A241-E range. For comparison, the 4A-GE uses the A240-E (112hp), the 4A-GZE uses the A241-E (145hp, but gobs more torque), and I believe the Camry (I4 or V6, forget which) uses the A240-E (180hp+?). Since the Camry V6s are now up to 190hp or so, there must be *some* auto-tranny that can handle 200hp (stock). Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:45:22 -0400 From: bagdon@rust.net (S and K Bagdon) Subject: Re: MR2 O2sensor ><< Besides the fact that the $29 unit is a one wire unit and does not have the > preheater it should be fine for several years. If you live in a smog test > world make sure you run your car hard before smog testing. >> > >I live in florida where we dont have inspections. Did Florida finally get rid of emmissions testing? When last I lived in Florida, Dade, Broward, Palm Beach, Orange? (Orlando), and whatever counties Tampa and Jacksonville were in had emmisions testing. I figured at some point, they would add or subtract counties. I remember moving from Leon county (Tallahassee) to Palm Beach county (Boca), and having to get used to yearly testing. > Almost every car ive owned i >have removed the cat. converter. Removing the cats from a Mk I has been dyno-tested to show no improvement in torque or hp. Most people leave the cat attached, since there's no improvement in hp and it decreases emissions. Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:53:30 -0400 From: bagdon@rust.net (S and K Bagdon) Subject: Re: MR2 hello from down under >hi all : ) > >I've popped in for a visit ... are all you ol' ones still around??? : ) > >ade >ade@mr2.org.nz Yup, I'm still here, still debatine Mk I top speeds, and enjoying my '85 SC every day (except when it snows!). Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:57:43 -0800 From: "David Hawkins" Subject: MR2 IMOC decals and a little venting Hello...at the suggestion of a fellow list member, I'm requesting that IMOC decal payments be sent with a SASE. If anyone is not comfortable with this.....don't include one. The web page will be updated accordingly. http://www.twosrus.com/imoc.htm On another topic, today marks the deadline for me going public about the one person who has not paid me out of over 50 transactions involving Japanese parts. I shipped 2 TRD emblems and 2 TRD stickers ($44 worth) to A. Timothy Assam on the 18th of September. Despite numerous attempts at getting a payment from him, I have not heard from him in over six weeks. Up until this point, I cross shipped everything and I know that several people were very happy to get their parts before I even saw their checks. Unfortunately, I won't be doing this anymore. It's this kind of action that makes people distrustful in general and casts a pall over the comaraderie on the list. Sorry to bring the mood down, but if you got some parts from me and are as angry about this as I am, let Tim hear from you. He's at tassam3rd@earthlink.net, or at least he was before he quit returning my mail. If anyone thinks this is unfair to do this on the list...sorry. I gave him five chances and a final notice two weeks ago. My venting is over....let's talk about our cars. David H. otgrouch@twosrus.com 93T FIPK/RMS S.P/RMS MBC 89SC Cupholder 66 Corvair 96 Cannondale R900 Spinergy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:55:57 EST From: Sport Ridr Subject: Re: MR2 MKI NA top speed. I dont have stock size tires, i have 15" rims and 205/50/15's. I have seen over 135 on the speedo and it was about 6000 or so, it was a couple weeks ago, but i remember that i had plenty more rpm's till the 7500 red line. I am on a mission now to set the top end speed in my mr2 this week. My mr2 is not stock. I will be going by the speedo. I might be able to get a trooper friends radar gun. With 15' wheels, that would mean that the car will go faster at the same rpm, and the speedo should be showing a slower than actual speed because of the larger circumfrance tire. Yes? Mike Craig 86 MR2 ps Also, i can be along-side my buddies stock 86 mr2 and i can easily pull away from his car at high speeds, actually any speed. But at high speeds, like 110+, i keep pulling away from him. He also has the stock wheel/tire combo. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:13:07 EST From: Ltraviolnc Subject: Re: MR2 O2sensor In a message dated 98-01-05 22:03:57 EST, bagdon@rust.net writes: > > Almost every car ive owned i > >have removed the cat. converter. > > Removing the cats from a Mk I has been dyno-tested to show no improvement > in torque or hp. Most people leave the cat attached, since there's no > improvement in hp and it decreases emissions. > > Steve B. > > Yup and actually just the opposite...I came up with an low and mid range INCREASE by going back to the cat and a more restrictive exhaust. This aint no V8. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:28:21 -0400 From: bagdon@rust.net (S and K Bagdon) Subject: MR2 Mk II - V6? New gears for E-153? While buying some oil filters today, the parts counter guy whipped out their new TRD dealer catalog, and showed me the TRD2000GT Mk II aero kit, and a new TRD supercharger for the 5V-ZFE V6 Tacoma/T100. So off my mind went. We started digging into the fiche and cd-roms, and figured some things out. How about a V6 SC Mk II? Stuff the 5V-ZFE from the Tacoma/T100 into the MR2. Combine the manual-tranny bellhousing for an E-53 from a 3V-ZFE Camry (to mate a V-series engine to an E-series tranny) with the tranny body from an E-153 3S-GTE MR2 (so the shift forks face the correct direction!). You can use the three MR2 tranny-mounts but would have to fabricate a V6 engine mount, and could use the standard MR2 speedo cable, reverse light switch, shift linkages, clutch release cylinder parts and drive shafts. So far the only thing you would have fabricated is the single engine-mount, but the exhaust will rear it's ugly head sooner or later. That will give you 3400cc, with at least 190hp (probably 200hp+, with a free flowing intake and exhaust). Then toss on the SC, and probably have potential for 250hp and 250torque. *That* should solve everyone's complaint about not enough low-end torque on the Mk II. Also, we noticed that the '94+ Camry 1M-ZFE uses an E-153 tranny. As logic would figure that the Camry would be geared more for fuel economy then acceleration, I started to wonder if the E-153 from the Camry had higher gearing then the E-153 from the MR2, for those who are *serious* about top-speed (Silver State Classic, etc). There would be some work to get the shift forks to face the correct direction (nothing two donor trannies would't fix), but if you want to go 160mph for extended periods of time, and want to lower your rpms in the process (lower heat generation, lower fuel consumption_, this seems to be the way to do it. I haven't checked Matti's page yet for gear ratios, but has anyone else thought about this? Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:09:13 EST From: Ltraviolnc Subject: Re: MR2 MKI NA top speed. In a message dated 98-01-05 21:38:15 EST, otgrouch@twosrus.com writes: > > I have had my MKI na to 137mph @ 5,700rpm's > > I'm sure to get flamed for this, but.....since the MKI > NA topped out at 116mph@6350rpm, I think your next > mod should be an accurate speedometer. Without > forced induction, or a TON of NA mods, you will never > see that speed in a MKI NA. And if you are running > stock size tires, you wouldn't see it at that low of an > RPM if you were indeed hitting it. > > My 93T hit 137 (once, probably never again) in > Montana a couple of years ago and it was turning 6200RPM. I was really gonna stay out of this one, but what the hell.... Geez, I don't know...I guess I'm somewhere in the middle. I mean, I know factory speedometers vary greatly from car to car and get more off as speed increases (and yes, motorcycles are ALOT worse, especially at high speed), and I highly doubt ANY near stock NA MK1 would ever reach the 130-140 range (no flame war here...the mods on this car are worth maybe 5-7hp at the very top end and this has been stated and proven here by owners experiences and dyno measurements over and over and over again...), but the "spec" top end seems a little low, too. I've seen my speedo at the 130+ range, so I always figured maybe 5 or 10 off, but 15 to 20 seems like a lot. I'm not saying it's not because obviously, I have no accurate way of telling, but it felt like more than 116. Maybe the speedo's really are that out of whack. Any one have access to a flying mile and a radar gun? Ron 87/\/\R2 (that I thought was good for 125, but won't see 140 without 26" tires and a tailwind ;-) Ltraviolnc@aol.com ICQ '98: 3087083 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:45:24 -0400 From: bagdon@rust.net (S and K Bagdon) Subject: Re: MR2 MKI NA top speed. >I dont have stock size tires, i have 15" rims and 205/50/15's. Even so, this does not dramatically increase your speed. Figure an inch or two, maybe5 mph, but that's about it. 185/60-14s should equal 185/50-15s, so going from 185 to 205 should add a bit of diameter. >I have seen >over 135 on the speedo and it was about 6000 or so, it was a couple weeks ago, >but i remember that i had plenty more rpm's till the 7500 red line. Just because you say this as your indicated speed does not mean that was you actual speed. >I am on a >mission now to set the top end speed in my mr2 this week. My mr2 is not stock. >I will be going by the speedo. Unless the speedo has been calibrated, then you're don't know your actual speed. > I might be able to get a trooper friends radar >gun. With 15' wheels, that would mean that the car will go faster at the same >rpm, and the speedo should be showing a slower than actual speed because of >the larger circumfrance tire. Yes? Maybe a few mph, but nothing significant. If anyone out there has the math to calculate the percentage of speed increase from a 185/60-14 to a 205/50-15, please come forth now. Say 3-4%? Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:11:13 -0600 From: "Andrew P. Tasi" Subject: MR2 mk-II radio security Hello everyone- This is posted for Nick7600@aol.com. Please respond to him with all answers... >-----Original Message----- >>my battery died the other day. no big deal. but it caused my stereo to >lock. >>i'm the second owner and i don't know the code. could anyone please help >me!! >>thanks, >>nick 93t ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 98 11:52:30 From: "Matthew Stiltner" Subject: MR2 Re: mr2-digest V2 #63 On Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:46:25 -0600, mr2-digest wrote: >Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:31:28 -0800 >From: "James S. King" >Subject: MR2 MKII - Tuneless in Santa Barbara >QUESTION: There must be a magic code or secret reset button or other >procedure to "reset" the radio, right? Do you need a factory SST? TIA. I could have swore that a long time ago someone said the dealer reset the codes in their stereo for em. If this is not possible, I have my 3 in 1 stereo removed and you can buy it instead of the dealer wanting to sell you a brand new one for 600+ bucks :-) Just a chance to help you and me out if you have no other options. Matthew Stiltner Providing Quality Anodizing services for over 30 years J & J Plating Co. 966 Oak St. Toledo, OH 43605 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:00:59 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: Re: MR2 - 'organized' speeding > Speaking of which, does anyone remember what happened to the 'Banzai > Club' of the '70s/'80s. It was supposed to be group of rich-guys, who > would go to extremes to 'secure' stretches of highway (posting people at > each exit, tracking on maps, planes, etc) - make the stretch of highway > as 'sanitized', then drive like heck. Anyone remember this? dont know bout that.... but where do yall think im going with the cb's, vox heatsets, trunked scanners and all the other crap im pickin up?...hell the sport bikes do it all the time on palomar mtn here in sd county (world class twisties) not rich just a bunch of hardcores. man with a plan- terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:00:59 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: Re: MR2 MKII package > My question is this: Was there a package where you could get the leather, > t-tops, etc and not have power windows? nope. 92 mr2- leather package: lthr trimmed 7 way adj seat, lthr door trim,lthr wheel/shifter/p-brake, 3 compartment centr console and POWER PACKAGE. power package: pwr windows/door locks,pwr outside mirrors, auto entry/exit light looks like this 2 has: after market lthr or took out the factory power windows and replace with aftermarket power windows. >My guess would have been that the > power windows would have come standard with one of these. you get the "stale piece of gum" consession prize today for your correct guess. So I am curious > why this car would supposedly have "aftermarket" power toys. wanted the toys but did not want to pay the factory price $$$. just guessing- terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:15:15 EST From: Sport Ridr Subject: MR2 MKI: Top Speed, stop :-) OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, The INDICATED speed on MY mr2 must NOT be accurate. Lets all just take a deep breath and slowly exhale,,,,, there, now i will have it tested with a radar gun, then maybe whatever the results, i will not have to read so much flame mail because the results will be accurate, 'course then ill probably recieve some mail on how the radar gun i used doesnt work. :-) Mike Craig 86 MR2 <--- with "unsure" speedometer indication. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:34:41 EST From: MG223 Subject: MR2 Donation Address/TT wiring Hi, Does anyone have the address for donations to support the digest? Also, has anyone out there wired in a Greddy TT? I would like to know how the P-brake cut off wires in. Thanks in advance Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:15:46 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: MR2 "trunk" scanning...got it! gentle MR2 folks, well as you all may or may not know i picked up the radio shack "pro-90" trunk scanner. i have hit the page that steve n. (thanx matey) sent to me and made contact with a guy at that site who sez that "trunking works great in san diego!" and is helping me on the learning curve. so im in now just need to learn how to use it properly. lots of buttons and freq. to input but the results are cool! thanx for all the feedback..keep on trunkin! terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:26:57 -0800 From: Byron Subject: Re: MR2 Dwell meter: what is it? I don't mean to *dwell* on the issue, but dwell measures the length of time that the points are *closed* not open. During this time the coil builds up energy and fires the plug when the points opened. Dwell on a 4 cyl. engine is much greater than on an 8 since there are only 4 lobes on the dist. cam and the points can remain closed longer. From one who has measured point dwell for over 30 years and now has an unused dwell meter. Byron Johnson 93 Turbo SF Bay Area ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:34:56 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: Re: MR2 MKI: Top Speed, stop :-) > OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, The INDICATED speed on MY mr2 must NOT be >accurate. > Lets all just take a deep breath and slowly exhale,,,,, there, now i will have > it tested with a radar gun, then maybe whatever the results, i will not have > to read so much flame mail because the results will be accurate, 'course then > ill probably recieve some mail on how the radar gun i used doesnt work. :-) > Mike Craig > 86 MR2 <--- with "unsure" speedometer indication. :-) > actually your speedo is probably more accurate ckit- http://www.motorists.com/nma/Radar/radar2.htm bustin da hump on the ole back of law- terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:43:30 +0800 From: sirmike Subject: Re: MR2 MKI NA top speed. S and K Bagdon wrote: > >I dont have stock size tires, i have 15" rims and 205/50/15's. > > Even so, this does not dramatically increase your speed. Figure an inch or > two, maybe5 mph, but that's about it. 185/60-14s should equal 185/50-15s, > so going from 185 to 205 should add a bit of diameter. Well according to Mark Sinks wheel calculator (I love that program BTW, I am constantly using it to try and decide what size to get etc) It shows that if the 185/60-14 where going 70mph, with the 205/50-15 you'd actually be going 71.02 mph..so figure no more than 2mph faster than you would with the stock tires..if you were going around 140 anyways.. Mikec ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:42:50 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: Re: MR2 Donation Address/TT wiring > Hi, > Does anyone have the address for donations to support the digest? > Also, has anyone out there wired in a Greddy TT? I would like to know how the > P-brake cut off wires in. > Thanks in advance > Mike donno the address...when you find out lemme know, thanx. tt/harness/e-brake?.... will let you know tomorrow cuz im having it (greddy) installed tomorrow, along with a "tune up" of the alarm system. im nixing the "shatter gaurd" (POS) and replacing it with a "interior spacial radar detector" senror instead. this way i do not have to worry as much about the ttops being off IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WINTER here in san diego and having stuff stolen from inside the car. later- terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:48:45 +0800 From: sirmike Subject: Re: MR2 - 'organized' speeding TerrySaltzman@home.com wrote: > > Speaking of which, does anyone remember what happened to the 'Banzai > > Club' of the '70s/'80s. It was supposed to be group of rich-guys, who > > would go to extremes to 'secure' stretches of highway (posting people at > > each exit, tracking on maps, planes, etc) - make the stretch of highway > > as 'sanitized', then drive like heck. Anyone remember this? > > dont know bout that.... but where do yall think im going with the > cb's, vox heatsets, trunked scanners and all the other crap im > pickin up?...hell the sport bikes do it all the time on palomar mtn > here in sd county (world class twisties) not rich just a bunch of > hardcores. > > man with a plan- > terry Yeah a plan! Alright! I didn't think other people would be that into it. I always fantasized about doing that sort of thing(sick I know) I'm really looking forward to moving down to San Diego now! Please post how the scanner is working! BTW how often they use radar down there? I haven't gotten a ticket for awhile now(6 months) but then again I've been going at it kinda slow cuz I really can't afford any more..I'm thinking about getting a valentine 1, and of course a scanner if indeed it is helpful. Wow that banzai club sounded totally awesome I must admit tho..if we knew anyone with a helicopter and could afford it..and if my car could go a little faster..or alot faster.. mike c ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V2 #65