mr2-digest Sunday, January 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 058 MR2 high idle MR2 Still Leaking Oil! RE: MR2 - "Trunking" communications devices MR2 O2sensor MR2 MKII Wierd noise. MR2:MKI Top Speed Re: MR2 MKII Wierd noise. RE: MR2 - "Trunking" communications devices MR2 SCC Project Mk2T/Mk1 SC Pulley MR2 silver state challenge MR2 SC for sale MR2 SC for sale MR2 MKII convertible MR2 insurance rates MR2 MKII Max Speed and Max Cruising Speed MR2 MKII throttle cable MR2 85 Mk I Fuel Pump Failure ?? Re: MR2 MKII Body Kit?? New MR2 wing RE: MR2 - "Trunking" communications devices Re: MR2 MKII Max Speed and Max Cruising Speed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:59:06 EST From: MK II NA Subject: MR2 high idle Happy New Years! I have a 91 NA with 127,000 and the idle speed for the last couple of days has been around 1000rpm when it usually stays around 750-800rpm. What gives? Throttle sensor??? ADRENLN (Mobil 1 synthetic gear oil not good in cold weather) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:19:42 -0600 From: "John" Subject: MR2 Still Leaking Oil! Thanks to all that have responded. The distributor o-ring was in desperate need of replacement. I was discouraged that the leak continued after the o-ring replacement. I also changed out the oil filter as my son mentioned that it did not feel right when he put it on. Again no improvement. I suspect the next more is to put it up on a lift at a local garage... John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:31:02 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: RE: MR2 - "Trunking" communications devices > I stopped in Radio Shack yesterday & checked this out. It looks like this > one particular scanner also reads the supervisory channel to be able to > follow particular groups/conversations. It doesn't say which system it > can follow, but if the Motorola is the most common, I'll bet that's it. cool. > > For all the non-radio geeks, it's worth mentioning that this feature isn't > worth anything unless the people you want to listen to use trunking. If > they *do* use trunking it's *very* valuable, since using a non-trunking > scanner will be frustrating at best when trying to follow their conversations. sooo...how do i know or find out if my local "servants of the public" (cops) use this trunking method? it was suggested that i go to a newsgroup ( rec.radio.scanner.) i honestly dont know or have the time to do this (i used to have "freeagent" but could never find anything so i dumped it) so i will exhaust the list first (my apologies) and seeing as others on the list seem to benifitfrom this dialogue i see it as relevant. i will be picking up one today (most likely) and all will be told. again thanx for responding even though it has nothing to do with mr2/mki/mkii rubics, struts,springs,evc, cams pistons,rods, profecs,timers,BCs,tire,wheels,leakyttops,electrical probs, top speeds, other non related non mr2 toyota carz, american vs. japenese, aeroware, fuel management, best drivers of all time,best cars of all time, favorite music, carz in movies or sightings, rods, swapping with V8s, road races, web pages, crashed carz, mods, pissers, or all the other things associated or not with this "List." getting ready to "trunk", thanx for the feedback yalls a big help! terry > > Chris C. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:36:54 EST From: Sport Ridr Subject: MR2 O2sensor I went to toyota for an o2 sensor and they wanted $135 bucks. So i went across the street to a parts store and got the same thing for $29.00 bucks. Mike Craig 86 MR2 http://members.aol.com/SportRidr/intro.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 06:45:48 +1100 From: Chris Dimo Subject: MR2 MKII Wierd noise. I have a MKII 1997 Bathurst Model (I believe only available in Aust). It has only 13,000 km's on the clock. It seems to make a tapping type noise which comes from the motor when I hit 3000-3500 revs. This happens in mostly in 4th or 5th gear, generally when accellerating. It then ceases once I get passed that point. It sounds like the the pistons seem to be rattling (I know that sounds strange!!) The vehicle is still under warranty, but it would be nice to have an idea what the problem may be. dimo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:57:46 EST From: Sport Ridr Subject: MR2:MKI Top Speed I have had my MKI na to 137mph @ 5,700rpm's on the interstate numerous times, and the rpm's are still climbing, (on 87 octane) but i allways seem to run out of room quickly, its all those durn yankee's coming down here for our 75 degree weather. :-) I have no idea bout' the mkII's. My MR2 has some intake/exhaust mods so its definately faster than stock. Just thought i'd share my top end fun. Maybe one day ill go out on route 62 near my house and top it out. Mike Craig 86 MR-2 http://members.aol.com/SportRidr/intro.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:16:15 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: Re: MR2 MKII Wierd noise. henry and rick, here is some possible symptoms info > I have a MKII 1997 Bathurst Model (I believe only available in Aust). > It has only 13,000 km's on the clock. It seems to make a tapping type > noise which comes from the motor when I hit 3000-3500 revs. This > happens in mostly in 4th or 5th gear, generally when accellerating. It > then ceases once I get passed that point. It sounds like the the > pistons seem to be rattling (I know that sounds strange!!) The vehicle > is still under warranty, but it would be nice to have an idea what the > problem may be. ck for cracked egr (if you guyz have it isnt that smog stuff?) of my diagnosis is popped manifold and/or warped manifold as a result. rots-o-ruck terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:50:20 -0500 From: Chris Conlon Subject: RE: MR2 - "Trunking" communications devices Terry wrote: > sooo...how do i know or find out if my local "servants of the public" > (cops) use this trunking method? it was suggested that i go to a > newsgroup ( rec.radio.scanner.) i honestly dont know or have the time > ... > i will be picking up one today (most likely) and all will be told. D'oh! I knew I was forgetting something in that last post. While at Radio Shack, get a copy of "Police Call" for your area. It's a fat book listing what police/fire/rescue agencies use what frequencies. I don't think they'd let you buy a scanner *without* a copy of this book, really. (There's also "Beyond Police Call" for all the misc. other services.) The book *should* indicate in some way who's using trunking; if you're lucky your SalesDroid may know. Beyond that, go to Tower Books (or whereever) & look in the magazines for Amateur Radio mags. Right near them should be scanner & monitoring mags, just buy a few. If this isn't enough to get you started let me know & I'll dig up (literally) some of the old info I have on mags/ clubs/associations. I'm sure there's a better way to get this info from the net, but I don't know it. One final detail - I find a CB radio a *lot* more useful than a scanner, at least on truck-travelled highways. Try to get a scanner that also covers the CB bands - you probably won't find one easily, but it's worth checking. Hmmm you're making me want to pick up an AR8000 to go with my Scout... Naaah better save those $$$ for more HP :) Chris C. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:06:52 -0500 From: "Tommy Guttmann" Subject: MR2 SCC Project Mk2T/Mk1 SC Pulley I've been following the development of the Mk2T SCC Project car with great interest, even though it doesn't relate "directly" to my Mk1 SC... Now, in the February issue, I see they've replaced the Harmonic Balancer crank pulley with a light aluminum underdrive pulley, BUT on p.121 they go on to say that: "The stock pulley has an inner and outer portion separated by a rubber section that acts as a vibration damper, but the new pulley does not have this. The engine must be carefully balanced any time you remove vibration dampers and change the weight of the rotating assembly". Referring back to the thread we had a month or so ago about the larger diameter Aluminum crank pulleys for the Mk1 SCs, which also did away with the Harmonic Balancer...we noted that the only replacement pulleys that retain this feature are the HKS (10psi) and Blitz (12psi claimed?). Now, the SCC article would seem to confirm my thoughts (also those of some others...), that it may not be wise to indiscriminately do away with the Balancer...at least not in the interest of longevity... Both HKS and Blitz appear to have gone to considerable effort to retain this feature on their replacement pulleys. Further, it would seem that there is quite a market for Harmonic Balancers for American Performance cars, listed in catalogs like Summit Racing...touting that they minimize or eliminate vibrations in different frequency ranges and reduce wear on main bearings and valve train as well as reduce the chance of crank failure, etc. Just some food for thought... Tommy Guttmann tools@tooltech.qc.ca Montreal, Canada www.tooltech.qc.ca tel. (514)633-6644 fax(514)633-1680 2 x Mk1 SC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:17:42 -0800 From: "David Hawkins" Subject: MR2 silver state challenge > this address will TELL YOU what YOU will do and not do. > > http://www.phenry.com/sscc/silver/rules4.htm did you read this? The class you want to run in cannot exceed 124mph AT ANY TIME....I can understand not wanting to run an average of 125, but having to run behind a pace car on open stretches of straightaway doesn't seem like it would be that much fun when you can do 140 in your car..... I'm seriously thinking of doing this....but I'd have to run Grand Touring. The rules aren't that much more restrictive and you can run up to 140. David H. otgrouch@twosrus.com 93T FIPK/RMS S.P/RMS MBC 89SC Cupholder 66 Corvair 96 Cannondale R900 Spinergy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:21:01 -0800 From: "David Hawkins" Subject: MR2 SC for sale >Subj: 89 supercharge MR-2$4500 >Date: 98-01-04 00:24:36 EST blue/blue, 79000 miles runs good, t-top power everything, in L.A, automatic It was sounding really good until I got to the last word....ewwwwww. David H. otgrouch@twosrus.com 93T FIPK/RMS S.P/RMS MBC 89SC Cupholder 66 Corvair 96 Cannondale R900 Spinergy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:21:01 -0800 From: "David Hawkins" Subject: MR2 SC for sale >Subj: 89 supercharge MR-2$4500 >Date: 98-01-04 00:24:36 EST blue/blue, 79000 miles runs good, t-top power everything, in L.A, automatic It was sounding really good until I got to the last word....ewwwwww. David H. otgrouch@twosrus.com 93T FIPK/RMS S.P/RMS MBC 89SC Cupholder 66 Corvair 96 Cannondale R900 Spinergy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:26:25 -0800 From: "David Hawkins" Subject: MR2 MKII convertible >From what little Japanese I can make out in the HyperRev, this car was done by TRD (OK, I cheated...the TRD part wasn't in Kanji....) in 96. The only other legible thing in there was the phone number, so I guess they are willing to chop some more if you happen to live in Japan.... David H. otgrouch@twosrus.com 93T FIPK/RMS S.P/RMS MBC 89SC Cupholder 66 Corvair 96 Cannondale R900 Spinergy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:28:34 -0800 From: "David Hawkins" Subject: MR2 insurance rates > I really liked the free $120 though. That > was truly a suprise! Unexpected may have been a better word....free NEVER applies to insurance companies. USAA does the same thing every year. You get a percentage of your payments back if it's been a good year. David H. otgrouch@twosrus.com 93T FIPK/RMS S.P/RMS MBC 89SC Cupholder 66 Corvair 96 Cannondale R900 Spinergy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:14:25 -0500 From: "Burns, James B." Subject: MR2 MKII Max Speed and Max Cruising Speed Since we're on the topic of top speed, Toyota's technical specifications for the '93 MR2 shows both a max speed and a max cruising speed. Here are Toyota's numbers: Turbo: max speed - 149; max cruising speed - 137 NA manual: max speed - 124; max cruising speed - 115 NA auto: max speed - 121; max cruising speed - 112 I assume that max cruising speed is safe for long periods? Other numbers for turbo/NA/NA auto: 0-100 km/hr (sec): 5.9/8.5/10.3 (dang that automatic is slow) 0-400 m (sec): 14.3/16.3/17.6 These numbers apply to U.S. and Canada models. Brad Burns '91T '93NA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:27:48 -0500 From: "Geoff Moist" Subject: MR2 MKII throttle cable Someone with a service manual please help me out here. I was trying to figure out where the cable coming off of the throttle goes to? The cable from the gas pedal (actually the throttle splitter box or whatever it's called) runs to the bottom of the throttle "thing" that's on the shaft of the throttle butterfly valve. Off the top of the "thing" is another cable which is driven by the cable from the gas pedal. It runs down under the air breather box on the drivers side of the car. For the life of me I can't figure out where it goes. Also, how much play should be in that cable?. I can probably open my throttle 1/8 to 1/4 before the top cable gets tight and starts to move. Could this be why my car is running so poorly at low throttle position? I just bought the car and I haven't had time/money to order the Toyota shop manual yet, otherwise I'd look for myself. Thanks alot for any help. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:35:45 -0800 From: wagner@sprynet.com Subject: MR2 85 Mk I Fuel Pump Failure ?? Hey Guys: I spent the afternoon driving the 2 around. A couple of times it stumbled when idling, but I just blew it off. When I pulled into my parking spot and turned off the radio, I noticed a fairly loud humming noise inside the cockpit. I stepped outside to investigate, and the noise APPEARS to be coming from the fuel pump (or that area of the car).Seconds later the car died. I attempted to restart the car, and it would run as long as I held the gas pedal down...but the moment I would release the gas pedal the engine would die. I let the car sit about 30 minutes, and it fired up again. It ran for about a minute, then the noise got bad again and the car once again died. My questions are: 1. If the fuel line filter is clogged, will the pump and/or related parts make an odd noise as it struggles to push fuel beyond a clogged filter (I had a Chevy about 20 years ago that did just that)?? 2. If the pump is bad, what would be a good estimate for a decent mechanic to replace it?? All opinions are welcome!!! Thanks, Bill Wagner ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 1998 22:38:57 GMT From: charlesg@cco.caltech.edu (Charles Grosjean) Subject: Re: MR2 MKII Body Kit?? "Ardell L. Simon" writes: >In this months issue of Turbo Mag there are 2 MR2's(ONE ORANGE!) with the >same body kit on. The sides look like aeroware but the front is >different?? Anyone know where that front end comes from?? The blue car (cito's) has a Bomex front end. Toysport has, ahem put that into production. However, if you look at the web site, the picture on the yellow car has been retouched to eliminate the opening in the center. Interestingly enough, the day I was there talking to them about how it was sorta ugly to have the hole, the guys who do the website were picking up the pictures =). Installation of that front end requires some trimming of the bumper supports, apparently nothing too radical, but still something to consider. I think cost was in the $400 range. I don't know who manufactured the one on the orange car. Charles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:20:52 -0800 From: Troy Pummill Subject: New MR2 wing >From: "McQuillin, Gordon" >Subject: NEW MR2 Style Wing. > >> For all those interested in the new style of wing on the 98' MR2 (or >> is it 97' ?), If you look in the Feb Sports Compact Car issue on page >> 128 there is an ad for TC Spoilers and the bottem left picture shows >> what I am sure is a silver colored MKII with what they call the "New >> Universal GTR Style Wing" which looks like the new MR2's wing. Their >> phone number is 626/527-6998, and if anyone calls them I'd love to >> know how much they want for the wing, although I am already planning >> on the Aeroware wing. Hope this info is of use to someone. Have a >> great weekend. >> >> Gordon McQuillin >> 91'T Black Gordon, I've not personally seen the new MR2 wing, however, I saw plenty of the GTR wings when I was in Japan in October and November. GTR, of course, implies the Skyline GTR from Nisaan. Overall, I think the wing looks cool in print, but the MR2 wing looks better in person. I'd take an MR2 wing to a GTR any day. BTW: I'd also take a MR2 car as opposed to a GTR also. There are *way* to many GTRs in Japan - like owning a Camero, it seems. I must have seen 40-50 GTRs, as less and 10 MR2s. Troy mailto:trop@hitachi.com http://members.aol.com/tropsmr2 94T, Super Red ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:02:34 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: RE: MR2 - "Trunking" communications devices ok got the trunking scanner "Pro-90" nice little unit. has truncking frequencies in a booklet that goes with it.there is alot to this scanning thingy...pretty intense..... lots of info. > D'oh! I knew I was forgetting something in that last post. While at > Radio Shack, get a copy of "Police Call" for your area. got the 98 issue pretty involved lots of info. should be a pro in no time. lots of groups and contacts for mont. and scanning not sure if i want to get into this that deep but a nice resource anywho. > It's a fat book > listing what police/fire/rescue agencies use what frequencies. I don't > think they'd let you buy a scanner *without* a copy of this book, really. > (There's also "Beyond Police Call" for all the misc. other services.) > The book *should* indicate in some way who's using trunking; if you're > lucky your SalesDroid may know. the 98 edition has both books...lots of info.. > One final detail - I find a CB radio a *lot* more useful than a scanner, > at least on truck-travelled highways. Try to get a scanner that also > covers the CB bands - you probably won't find one easily, but it's > worth checking. got a cb (as well as most of the other rally folks) its setup witha headset and vox operated mic. we have found this setup and the cb to be INVALUEABLE on our rallies....now the scanner.... much to my wifes disgust im turning into a geek (but a REALLY handsome one)- terry btw- they reccomend scanners for the silver state and nevada challenge...set/ready.looking for ideas and spots to mount theis crap in the car WITHOUT permanetly attaching it. wada-u-tink? paying $1.72 a gal. for this weather - terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:38:08 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: Re: MR2 MKII Max Speed and Max Cruising Speed > Turbo: max speed - 149; max cruising speed - 137 > NA manual: max speed - 124; max cruising speed - 115 > NA auto: max speed - 121; max cruising speed - 112 > > I assume that max cruising speed is safe for long periods? > praise & answers fro the tall one: that would be my assumption. good info brad, thanx. this adds to the mix of combos for me entering the SSC at the 95-110 ($295). the next bracket is 115-125 for $480. at this point its getting a bit pricey for a first time for me, (add the $179 for the first time high speed drivers course your talking $659 bones.) so i will play it safe, leave more money for girls, gambling, and toys at the touring level. good place to get my feet wet. maybe ill step up a division the following year when i dont have to shell out $179 bones for the drivers course. i think that this would be VERY awesome if multipule mr2s were entered. very cool. planning away- terry ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V2 #58