mr2-digest Tuesday, December 30 1997 Volume 02 : Number 037 Re: MR2 Re: Power antenna problems Re: MR2 Re: Power antenna problems MR2 MKII 1991 NA: noises over bumps Re: MR2 Re: Power antenna problems Re: MR2 weather and money MR2 Timing Belt Change MR2 MKII ABS option in the 91/92 N/A Re: MR2 MKII 1991 NA: noises over bumps Re: MR2 Re: Power antenna problems Re: MR2 Assistance Needed With Oil Leak Re: MR2 Re: Power antenna problems Re: MR2 [Fwd: (rx7) [3]RPS Turbo Clutch] Re: MR2 Re: Power antenna problems MR2 Pensacola Mini meet ABS and the 91/92 MR2 N/A MR2 Interesting article in Road and Track Re: MR2 MK1 timing belt? MR2 mki distributor o-ring Re: ABS and the 91/92 MR2 N/A MR2 more exhaust warranty info. MR2 MKI/MKII sighting, sarasota Re: MR2 MK1 timing belt? Re: ABS and the 91/92 MR2 N/A ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 00:38:38 +0800 From: Ivan Wong Subject: Re: MR2 Re: Power antenna problems I had called Toyota dealer, just the antenna (without labor cost) would cost almost US$100. iVan S and K Bagdon wrote: > >My power antenna doesn't work also, it doesn't go up nor down but only > >those grinding noise :-( > >I heard that some people had used those high power fixed antenna (its so > >short that it looks the same as if it doesn't go up) and I am wondering > >if anyone of you have heard of that. > > How about spending the $45 on the Toyota part (antenna arm), printing out > the directions from mr2.com, and keeping your antenna stock? > > Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:05:13 -0500 From: Steve Bagdon Subject: Re: MR2 Re: Power antenna problems I didn't suggest the entire antenna, I suggested just the antenna arm. You'll have to remove the antenna, take it apart, put in the new arm, and put everything back in. It's all on mr2.com. Steve B. Ivan Wong wrote: > > I had called Toyota dealer, just the antenna (without labor cost) would cost > almost US$100. > > iVan > > S and K Bagdon wrote: > > > >My power antenna doesn't work also, it doesn't go up nor down but only > > >those grinding noise :-( > > >I heard that some people had used those high power fixed antenna (its so > > >short that it looks the same as if it doesn't go up) and I am wondering > > >if anyone of you have heard of that. > > > > How about spending the $45 on the Toyota part (antenna arm), printing out > > the directions from mr2.com, and keeping your antenna stock? > > > > Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:19:46 EST From: Keith6566 Subject: MR2 MKII 1991 NA: noises over bumps My mr2 makes a funny crunching/squeaking sound when I go over bumps. It is coming from the front and it seems to happen more when it's cold. Any ideas? I thought maybe the swaybar or the front struts need attention. Thanks in advance. Keith Aquamarine-pearl 1991 NA Bone Stock 85K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 01:12:24 +0800 From: Ivan Wong Subject: Re: MR2 Re: Power antenna problems Local dealer told me that I have to buy the whole thing.... no other choice. Regards, iVan Hong Kong Steve Bagdon wrote: > I didn't suggest the entire antenna, I suggested just the antenna arm. > You'll have to remove the antenna, take it apart, put in the new arm, > and put everything back in. It's all on mr2.com. > > Steve B. > > Ivan Wong wrote: > > > > I had called Toyota dealer, just the antenna (without labor cost) would cost > > almost US$100. > > > > iVan > > > > S and K Bagdon wrote: > > > > > >My power antenna doesn't work also, it doesn't go up nor down but only > > > >those grinding noise :-( > > > >I heard that some people had used those high power fixed antenna (its so > > > >short that it looks the same as if it doesn't go up) and I am wondering > > > >if anyone of you have heard of that. > > > > > > How about spending the $45 on the Toyota part (antenna arm), printing out > > > the directions from mr2.com, and keeping your antenna stock? > > > > > > Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:30:36 -0600 From: "Alex Gibson" Subject: Re: MR2 weather and money >I paid $1.22 for the same gas, at the same pump, at the same station. I >swear I'm going to put a 200gallon tank in my garage, and get them back >next labor day. :) Group purchase! Group purchase! email gibson@hoffman.ds.adp.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:43:11 EST From: MK II NA Subject: MR2 Timing Belt Change My '91 MK II NA has 126,000 miles on it and have never changed the timing belt since no damage occurs when it breaks. I should have changed it twice by now considering the miles but I would be out $600+ bucks or so for nothing. $ 1.41 gal 93 octane in Memphis Dave ADRENLN Still waiting on info to use my car for chipping! Suspen. Tech. Springs 3 Chamber Flowmaster dual 3.5 tips K & N Air filter NGK plugs Bosch Wires bad syncros but running STRONG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:01:35 -0800 From: Randy Chase Subject: MR2 MKII ABS option in the 91/92 N/A Hmm..why did I think that ABS was not an option for the 91 N/A? Okay..if we assume it is, I ask the resident list gurus: What would it take to add ABS to my car. Let's not start another thread about the value of ABS for normal uses. In autox, it would seem that ABS would be a good thing. No lock up and flat spotting your tires. Thanks for all the responses so far. Now if I take off the A/C *and* install ABS... Randy Chase '91 MR2 N/A ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:01:30 -0800 From: Randy Chase Subject: Re: MR2 MKII 1991 NA: noises over bumps Keith6566 wrote: > > My mr2 makes a funny crunching/squeaking sound when I go over bumps. It is > coming from the front and it seems to happen more when it's cold. Any ideas? > I thought maybe the swaybar or the front struts need attention. Thanks in > advance. > First/cheapest/easiest thing to check is the sway bar bushings. They should be lubricated. They can make some bad noises when they are not. I can see how being cold would make them worse. Don't use any lubricant with them also. The stock bushings are rubber. Perhaps you might try replacing them with some TRD or ST bushings? I would say to check you links to your swaybar also, but usually the links being even a little bit loose will cause a "clunking" sound when going over bumps. Might also be a good time to get some new adjustable struts if that doesn't solve it. I really wanted the Aquamarine-Pearl 8( Randy Chase '91 MR2 N/A Crimson Pink..err I mean Red ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:30:28 -0800 From: John Lange Subject: Re: MR2 Re: Power antenna problems Steve Bagdon wrote: > > John Lange wrote: > > > > S and K Bagdon wrote: > > > > > > >My power antenna doesn't work also, it doesn't go up nor down but only > > > >those grinding noise :-( > > > > > > How about spending the $45 on the Toyota part (antenna arm), printing out > > > the directions from mr2.com, and keeping your antenna stock? > > > > > > Steve B. > > > > How about just reading those instructions first, open up the unit and > > see whats broken before buying any parts. I have tried a few times to > > repair mine and still no luck. The commonly suggested "just replace the > > mast" does not always apply, particularly if it's not broken. > > I look at it this way. The car is 7 years old. If I'm going that deep > into the anteanna, and I'm going to get that greasy anyway, I might as > well just replace the darn thing for $45, and know that it's new. I > don't have money to throw away, but I'm also not going to spend 2 hours > every 2 months for the rest of my ownership taking it apart. > > Steve B. Good point Steve. I like to get it right the first time and be done with it. But where I'm coming from in my case, is that the mast aint broke so I can't fix it. It appears there are at least a couple of other guys (Allen/Ivan) with the same problem. The thing goes up and down but after getting all the way up it continues to ratchet. Still looking for the cheap (<$200) solution. Maybe there isn't one. I really don't much like the ridgid one I installed. John L. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:23:46 -0500 From: Steve Bagdon Subject: Re: MR2 Assistance Needed With Oil Leak > A couple of other observations, the leak rate, a drop here and there > starts when the engine reaches operating temperature and "increases" briefly > when the engine is shut down and then stops after about 10-15 minutes. I > have tried to find the leak using a mirror and have ordered an UV additive. > There is NO oil on the soundproofing along the passengers cabin sheet metal. > The oil drops forward of the oil pan and about 2 inches on the passengers > side of the oil pan drain plug as viewed from the rear. Pull the distributor, and check the o-ring. Usually goes bad by now. Figure about $3. Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:23:41 -0500 From: Steve Bagdon Subject: Re: MR2 Re: Power antenna problems Any other dealers you can go to? Or shall we conclude that the American market permits bying just the mast, and the Hong Kong market has to buy the entire antenna. BTW, the non-wing'ed Mk II MR2 uses the same mast as the late-madel Camrys. Commonality at it's best. Steve B. Ivan Wong wrote: > > Local dealer told me that I have to buy the whole thing.... no other choice. > > Regards, > iVan > Hong Kong ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:04:44 EST From: Lsaccone Subject: Re: MR2 [Fwd: (rx7) [3]RPS Turbo Clutch] I have an RPS Turbo clutch in my car and I love it... now I need new tires! Later Larry S. 1991 MR2 Turbo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:23:40 -0500 From: Steve Bagdon Subject: Re: MR2 Re: Power antenna problems John Lange wrote: > > S and K Bagdon wrote: > > > > >My power antenna doesn't work also, it doesn't go up nor down but only > > >those grinding noise :-( > > > > How about spending the $45 on the Toyota part (antenna arm), printing out > > the directions from mr2.com, and keeping your antenna stock? > > > > Steve B. > > How about just reading those instructions first, open up the unit and > see whats broken before buying any parts. I have tried a few times to > repair mine and still no luck. The commonly suggested "just replace the > mast" does not always apply, particularly if it's not broken. I look at it this way. The car is 7 years old. If I'm going that deep into the anteanna, and I'm going to get that greasy anyway, I might as well just replace the darn thing for $45, and know that it's new. I don't have money to throw away, but I'm also not going to spend 2 hours every 2 months for the rest of my ownership taking it apart. Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:18:32 -0800 From: "David Hawkins" Subject: MR2 Pensacola Mini meet Hello everyone. The Pensacola Mini Meet is this Saturday, the 3rd of January. So far there are five definite attendees and about four maybes. We'll be meeting at Bennigan's behind University Mall. Take I-10 exit 5, cross Davis Highway (it'll look like you're entering the Waffle House parking lot) and snake back around the mall. Bennigan's is right next to Darryl's restaurant. Since there a couple of folks coming from Georgia, I think 1230-1pm is a good time, I'll be there around noon just in case anyone shows up early :) Look forward to meeting some new folks and putting faces with well known acquaintences. Come on out and join us! David H. otgrouch@twosrus.com 93T FIPK/RMS S.P/RMS MBC 89SC Cupholder 66 Corvair 96 Cannondale R900 Spinergy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:42:30 -0800 From: Randy Chase Subject: ABS and the 91/92 MR2 N/A Now I am intrigued... Was ABS an option only for the T-top cars? Are/Were there any hardtop or sunroof cars with ABS? This is for a 91 N/A MKII. Thanks! Randy Chase '91 MR2 N/A ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:48:37 -0800 From: Randy Chase Subject: MR2 Interesting article in Road and Track I posted the URL for this cool article about autox, which included Kevin Bailey's MR2 (Turbo). Matt Murray pointed out to me that the article was not totally correct in regards finishes. He kindly gave me the standings from the Finals. Some list members are on here. I aint telling who. 8) > 1. Kevin Bailey ConD MR2 117.830 > 2. Stacy Reitmeir SanF 911 118.216 > 3. John Broderick Colo MR2 118.901 > 4. Ray Meesseman Det Corvette 119.244 > 5. Dan Maloney Ariz 911 119.873 > 6. Michael Piera NEng 911S 120.800 > 7. Matthew Murray NEng MR2 120.943 > 8. Terry Baker ODom 911 121.266 > 9. T.C. Kline OhV M3 121.691 >10. Steve Sucsy WTex MR2 122.710 >11. Mark Shehan Det MR2 123.044 >12. Randy Eickhoff KC MR2 123.549 >13. Takahisa Aono Neb MR2 123.928 >14. Gerrit d'Ablaing Hous Corvette 124.504 >15. Terry Anhorn Colo 914 124.852 >16. Mark Wiley Wich Speedster 127.652 >17. Guy Watney KC MR2 129.951 > >17 cars -- trophies went to top 5 Randy Chase '91 MR2 N/A ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:44:41 EST From: Sport Ridr Subject: Re: MR2 MK1 timing belt? I agree with everything you replyed on Ltraviolnc except for that last bit o bull about the GM cars, you see IF and i mean IF you ever have anything wrong with a GM, it will cost you a fraction of the cost that it does for an import like my toyota or a honda. Plus, in my experience, the GM's easier to work on, more room, simplicity, and well thought out. Plus, the way i drive, ive seen that the GM's can take the abuse longer than the imports. Im not knocking my import at all, just stating my experience. Mike Craig 86 MR-2 <--- and loving it ZX-6R ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:01:16 -0500 From: Chris Conlon Subject: MR2 mki distributor o-ring > Pull the distributor, and check the o-ring. Usually goes bad by now. > Figure about $3. Once upon a time I tried to change my distributor o-ring. The new ring (there was no old one) would not fit in the groove in the distributor shaft. The groove itself was actually way too big, but the groove was mostly taken up with what looked like a black anodized washer, except it didn't move *at all* so I guess it was part of the dizzy shaft. In any case the o-ring did NOT fit in the remaining groove space, and slid up the shaft upon installation. Is there a trick here? What am I missing? Or maybe they sent the wrong part? (That same parts order had several other parts too, which were all right.) Any help appreciated, Chris C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:22:30 EST From: Josif K Subject: Re: ABS and the 91/92 MR2 N/A In a message dated 97-12-30 18:50:12 EST, you write: << Was ABS an option only for the T-top cars? Are/Were there any hardtop or sunroof cars with ABS? This is for a 91 N/A MKII. Thanks! Randy Chase '91 MR2 N/A >> Randy, My bother had an early 91NA T-Top. ABS was optional. I can't remember if he had it or not, I just remember it was DEFINITELY an option. Also, I have the 91 MR 2 Sales brochure. It shows ABS as an option on BOTH Turbo and NA cars, T-top, sunroof or hardtop. Now, i've never seen or heard of a turbo w/o it. But, my turbo doesnt have LSD, which sucks and is another story. Joe 91 T w/o LSD :-( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:37:08 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: MR2 more exhaust warranty info. well finally got by the dealer to speak with the service manager about some questions that were raised and he was gone for the day, will try tomorrow. asked for a copy of the 98 warranty info but the guy told me we are really busy right now and could we do it tomorrow? "no problem" said i. he also mention that since i came in on sat and copied the warranty info they have been "swamped" with mr2 exhaust service orders. he said "what did you do put it on the internet?" "yep" i said. looks like its working for yall. funny thing is that there must be some "sitters" out there cuz before this issue came up and the resultant post, i was the ONLY exhaust warranty they had done! i like "being the first"....KWIM? ; ) so, there must be some mr2'sters on the digest, in the shadows in sd.... wherrrrrre arrrrre youuuu? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:29:56 EST From: Sport Ridr Subject: MR2 MKI/MKII sighting, sarasota If you dont live hear in florida disregard this post. This is to the guy in the white MR-2 MKII in sarasota that i passed today, when i was going around some twisties on Desoto Rd. I was going about 65/70mph on a sharp left hander, right hander for you. The time was about 5:40pm, i saw you wave real quick, or maybe you were telling me to slow down, but i just had to see if you were on the MR-2 mailing list. I was in the black MKI with dark tint windows and chrome rims, and projector lights ON at the time. Mike Craig 86 MR-2 Sorry for taking up space. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:45:36 -0600 From: "Chris King" Subject: Re: MR2 MK1 timing belt? > I agree with everything you replyed on Ltraviolnc except for that last bit o > bull about the GM cars, you see IF and i mean IF you ever have anything wrong > with a GM, it will cost you a fraction of the cost that it does for an import > like my toyota or a honda. It is true that it will cost less to fix an american car but it will also break 10-15 times as much as a Honda or Toyota so you really aren't coming out ahead here. >Plus, in my experience, the GM's easier to work on, Well mid-engine is a little more difficult than the norm, I agree. > more room, That's because every car/truck GM makes is a huge boat. Wider is better my butt! >simplicity, and well thought out. Simple? Maybe, but in a dumb kinda way. Besides the fact they haven't got a clue when it comes to interior ergonomics or color scheme (what is up with the gray/orange interiors in pontiac's?) they don't even know how to use space when they've got it. Look at a Camaro or Firebird. For as big as the thing is, you think there would be some interior room but notta. And I won't even start on the engineering aspects of the car or the bodies on the things. > Plus, the way i drive, ive seen > that the GM's can take the abuse longer than the imports. Im not knocking my > import at all, just stating my experience. Uh, I am not too sure about this one either. From my friends and my experiences, I will stick with the Toyota/Honda over anything American anyday. Everything tallied up would indicate that the Japaneese stuff can handle much much MUCH more abuse (with the exception of my friend's Mazda RX7). Maybe it's time for Austin T. to tell the tale of the old Corolla he owned if we still have believers. Chris K. owner of a 91 NA and a japaneese supremecist! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:47:07 -0600 From: "Chris King" Subject: Re: ABS and the 91/92 MR2 N/A > T-top, sunroof or hardtop. Now, i've never seen or heard of a turbo w/o it. > But, my turbo doesnt have LSD, which sucks and is another story. I have run into a few of the turbo's without but they are pretty rare. Chris K. 91 NA ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V2 #37