mr2-digest Friday, July 25 1980 Volume 02 : Number 025 Re: MR2 Re: Poppin' fresh wires? MR2 Digest #24 was sent on 7/24/80 MR2 "Feel" MR2 Shorter shifter throws? MR2 Re: ST???? MR2 Fwd: ST???? MR2 Re: ST???? MR2 195/60 14" tires MR2 MKI vs Turbo Shifter feel MR2 Re: ST? MR2 88 Supercharger MR2 New Wheel Offset Calculator MR2 Re: ST? MR2 Mk1 Steel Braided brake lines MR2 Re: MkII: Would dino juice hurt? MR2 leafcharger reply MR2 MKII bushings recommendations MR2 turbo manifold warranty to 70k in ca? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 23:10:02 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: Re: MR2 Re: Poppin' fresh wires? > The problem with the nologies popping off is due to venting problems. the > nologies like most/all wires have a hot air vent hole on the top portion of > the wires, this allows hot air from building up inside the plug chamber, > and prevent the hot air from the the wires off the plug. The hole in the > nologies does not seem to vent as well as it should. I took a very small > allen wrench and put it through the hole and carefully moved it around > clearing the passage, since i did this three or so months ago my wires have > stayed on the plugs. I assume that the vent may get clogged in the future > and may need periodic maintaince, to clear any small particles that block > the vent. interesting events happening. how about taking a round metal tool (screwdriver) of a diameter of your choice, heat it up with a torch and burning (melting) a larger hole through the offending plug cap? say like a 1/16" or whatever size works? terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 08:07:02 -0500 From: Phil Cutajar Subject: MR2 Digest #24 was sent on 7/24/80 Uhm, the dates on the server must be messed up. - -- Phil Cutajar '93 MR2-Turbo, Super White, 74k miles K&N FIPK, MR2-PP MBC mailto:Solo2_MR2@ibm.net my web page:http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/6213/index.htm ICQ #6032611 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 08:37:19 -0500 From: nu3y@CritPath.Org Subject: MR2 "Feel" In a previous MR2 Digest this was posted... "who here agrees with me that a mk1 has a better shifter feel than the turbo mk2? i personally have both, 85 mki and 91mkIIturbo" I have also owned a 1986 and a 1991 NA, and I truly believe that the MKI's "felt" better (shifter, steering, gradually increasing power curve right up to redline and other "seat of the pants" senses) than the MKII's. The interesting thing is that this is merely a perceived feeling. Tell you what I mean... The day I had traded in my MKI and picked up my brand-new MKII, I just loved the beauty of the new car, but was disappointed in the "feel". It just didn't feel as "tight". It didn't "feel" like it handled as well. Then an interesting thing happened. I was on a set of twisties that I was very familiar with driving my MKI. I looked down on the speedometer of the new MKII, and realized that I was traversing this bit of road MUCH faster than I could in the MKI! It didn't "feel" as fast, but it was doing a much better job at "going" fast. I believe this was one of the intended design changes in the MR2 lineage that said "UPMARKET". The fact of the matter is that both cars were designed for different jobs and "feelings". If I could only have afforded to keep both! You people who have managed to do that are truly lucky! Happy New Year! - ----- Joe Pearlstein '91 Crimson Red MKII, Past owner of '86 Super Red MKI Philadelphia, PA mailto:nu3y@critpath.org ICQ# 3480202 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 08:46:47 -0500 From: nu3y@CritPath.Org Subject: MR2 Shorter shifter throws? Posted to a previous Digest... "I have an old truck driver friend with a cheap solution to getting a smaller gate - he just throws on an extension on his gearshift; heh i can just see a 2 foot gearshift on my Mk 1 - maybe an 8 ball for a knob - some fuzzy dice; hmmm, think I'm onto something..." Extending the length of the gearshift lever would INCREASE the length of the throws, not shorten it. This is why Toyota shortened the lever on (what was it, the 93's and up?) later MKII's, as the automotive press complained that the shifter on the MKII's (1991) were not as good as the original MR2's (MKI's). I never minded the "feel" of the shifter on my 1991 NA, so that never bothered me. I still even have the original shift knob on it, but will probably get the Momo, as it's kinda sad looking after 99,000 miles, and the Momo is shorter, giving an overall shorter lever, thereby shortening the length of movement of the hand while shifting. - ----- Joe Pearlstein '91 Crimson Red MKII, Past owner of '86 Super Red MKI Philadelphia, PA mailto:nu3y@critpath.org ICQ# 3480202 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 09:31:09 EST From: FZZR Subject: MR2 Re: ST???? In a message dated 97-12-26 09:28:13 EST, you write: << Thanks for the tip. Someone else told me to go Illumina adjustables.... now I'm confused. Maybe I should let my pocketbook decide.... hahaha!! thanks again, pal. At 09:22 AM 12/26/97 EST, FZZR wrote: >In a message dated 97-12-26 00:07:06 EST, you write: > ><< How was the ride??? Do you know if the Suspension Tech springs on > the JC Whitney catalog is linear or progressive? I really don't like to > lose the street ride of the car.... do you think your ride is plush enough? > Or is it like riding on a 900RR... hehehehe! > >> > > I find the ride good. I use Non adjustable Tokico struts so that tightens >up the ride. The roads are in terrible condition where I live and I find it >fine. It is not like a town car but hey who wants to drive that. They are >linear springs not progressive. Progressive are more expensive. I don't know >about a 900rr but it rides better than my FZR. > > Chuck >> Hey the optimal thing would be the adjustable struts with the springs but hey some of us are on a tight budget. chuck ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 09:31:58 EST From: FZZR Subject: MR2 Fwd: ST???? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_883146718_boundary Content-ID: <0_883146718@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 97-12-26 09:22:12 EST, FZZR writes: << << How was the ride??? Do you know if the Suspension Tech springs on the JC Whitney catalog is linear or progressive? I really don't like to lose the street ride of the car.... do you think your ride is plush enough? Or is it like riding on a 900RR... hehehehe! >> I find the ride good. I use Non adjustable Tokico struts so that tightens up the ride. The roads are in terrible condition where I live and I find it fine. It is not like a town car but hey who wants to drive that. They are linear springs not progressive. Progressive are more expensive. I don't know about a 900rr but it rides better than my FZR. Chuck - --part0_883146718_boundary Content-ID: <0_883146718@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: FZZR Return-path: To: microfiz@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: ST???? Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 09:22:12 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 97-12-26 00:07:06 EST, you write: << How was the ride??? Do you know if the Suspension Tech springs on the JC Whitney catalog is linear or progressive? I really don't like to lose the street ride of the car.... do you think your ride is plush enough? Or is it like riding on a 900RR... hehehehe! >> I find the ride good. I use Non adjustable Tokico struts so that tightens up the ride. The roads are in terrible condition where I live and I find it fine. It is not like a town car but hey who wants to drive that. They are linear springs not progressive. Progressive are more expensive. I don't know about a 900rr but it rides better than my FZR. Chuck - --part0_883146718_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 08:38:36 -0600 (CST) From: Ron Martin Subject: MR2 Re: ST???? I know.... the 50 dollar difference per shock is a lot of money for me, too! Maybe I should start selling drugs instead. But if I do, then I wouldn't be riding on the underrated-yet-just-as-fun-as-my-Fizzer MR2... hehehe. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 08:51:20 -0800 From: "David Hawkins" Subject: MR2 195/60 14" tires You are having problems finding 195/60 14" tires? Where are you looking? This size was standard on almost every 86-89 Acura Integra and Honda Accord, and I know that I found something like ten different brands that offered this size when I was looking to replace the tire on my Integra. I know that the Dunlop D40M2 is available in this size. Were you looking for the stock manufacturer or something? I just find it hard to believe that this size has become scarce....there are too many cars out there running it. David H. otgrouch@twosrus.com 93T FIPK/RMS S.P/RMS MBC 89SC Cupholder 66 Corvair 96 Cannondale R900 Spinergy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 09:07:57 -0800 From: "David Hawkins" Subject: MR2 MKI vs Turbo Shifter feel >who here agrees with me that a mk1 has a better shifter feel than the turbo >mk2? i personally have both, 85 mki and 91mkIIturbo Not me.....of course, my turbo is a 93 with the improved synchros... The shifting in my 89 is okay if you're babying it, but try a high speed shift at around 7K and it is very reluctant to enter second at all without a lot of prodding. Never had this problem in the turbo... David H. otgrouch@twosrus.com 93T FIPK/RMS S.P/RMS MBC 89SC Cupholder 66 Corvair 96 Cannondale R900 Spinergy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 07:28:39 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: MR2 Re: ST? > I find the ride good. I use Non adjustable Tokico struts sothat > tightens up the ride. a tight ride IS very important. >The roads are in terrible condition where I live and I find it >fine. yes, here in san diego the roads are bad too (for the climate and all) considering how much we pay in in taxes. i calculate we should be driving on "The Yellow Brick Road" > It is not like a town car but hey who wants to drive that. >They are linear springs not progressive. Progressive are more >expensive. actually i thinl with my tokicos set to "1" the 2 drives like a town car incomparison to th estock struts. if you cannot afford em save a while and make it happen it will really be worth it! from driving a towncar to riding on blocks (concrete) they are the queen's pearl, plus they a guaranteed for life! > Hey the optimal thing would be the adjustable struts with the springs but > hey some of us are on a tight budget. thats me "Optimal Terry!" (OT) this is what im looking at. what kind of springs should i combine with my tokico 5 ways to get the "Optimal" thing (ride). linear or progressive? going shopping for christmas shortly- terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:51:50 -0600 From: toyotamr2@juno.com (Guess Who) Subject: MR2 88 Supercharger How much oil does the supercharger hold?? Also my friend has a supercharged car with an auto. How much tranny fuild does it hold?? Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 11:22:30 -0500 From: "Tommy Guttmann" Subject: MR2 New Wheel Offset Calculator Mark Sink wrote: > For those of you who are familiar with wheel size/offset issues, > could you please test a new calculator I have designed. It's > been tested on Navigator 3.04 and 4.04. It requires JavaScript. > > This should hopefully make it easier when selecting wider > wheels. The default values are those from the MKII rear wheel, > and the Blitz Type-03 wheel for the MKII with a 17" diameter. > > This is my first attempt at actually figuring all this out, so if > I'm missing something, or could add something, let me know. > > It's all located at: > http://toy4two.home.mindspring.com/offset.html > > > Thanks! > > - -- > Mark Sink > - ----------- > http://toy4two.home.mindspring.com/ > Modified '87 MR2 & '93 MR2 Turbo Huh? Are you kidding? "You're" saying "thanks"? NO..."We" thank you!! This is really great! Happy Holidays Tommy Guttmann tools@tooltech.qc.ca Montreal, Canada 2 x Mk1 SC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 10:22:32 -0600 (CST) From: Ron Martin Subject: MR2 Re: ST? > >> I find the ride good. I use Non adjustable Tokico struts sothat >> tightens up the ride. > >a tight ride IS very important. Hmmm... but not tight enough that you aren't given any sort of shock and dampening capability to hug the road... hehehe >>The roads are in terrible condition where I live and I find it >>fine. > >yes, here in san diego the roads are bad too (for the climate and >all) considering how much we pay in in taxes. i calculate we should >be driving on "The Yellow Brick Road" Ditto in the Bay Area, Silicon Valley, etc. >> It is not like a town car but hey who wants to drive that. >>They are linear springs not progressive. Progressive are more >>expensive. > >actually i thinl with my tokicos set to "1" the 2 drives like a >town car incomparison to th estock struts. if you cannot afford em >save a while and make it happen it will really be worth it! from >driving a towncar to riding on blocks (concrete) they are the queen's >pearl, plus they a guaranteed for life! > >> Hey the optimal thing would be the adjustable struts with the springs but >> hey some of us are on a tight budget. > >thats me "Optimal Terry!" (OT) this is what im looking at. what kind >of springs should i combine with my tokico 5 ways to get the >"Optimal" thing (ride). linear or progressive? Is that a rhetorical question? I really don't know myself. I am on the verge of calling JC Whitney unless I am otherwise discouraged. Dave Daucott suggested that the TRD progressives induce understeering. However, friend of mine insisted that progressives are the way to go. Yet they are a little steeper in price. Any comments? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 12:01:40 EST From: Kurowski Subject: MR2 Mk1 Steel Braided brake lines What is the best source (pricewise, quality-wise, and availability) for stainless steel braided brake lines for the Mk1. I've heard of SMC and TRD (probably the same) and some others. Paul Janicki kurowski@aol.com San Jose, CA, USA White 86 Mk1 135,000 miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 10:09:14 From: Keith Jarett Subject: MR2 Re: MkII: Would dino juice hurt? >I've been running Mobil 1 10W-30 in my 2 ever >since I bought the care two years ago. If I ever had to face the >situation of replacing my oil with dino juice, will that really screw >things up? Should I just go ahead and throw 4 qts of "spare" Mobil 1 in >my trunk? In almost 10 years of driving MkI MR2s, I never faced the situation of needing an impromptu oil change and I never worried about it. Dino and synthetic mix just fine. That's how they make those "blend" oils. If for some reason you lost all the synthetic oil without also blowing up the engine, you could use dino for as long or as short a time as you liked with no harm to the engine. Keith Jarett keith@nsx.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 9:10:47 PST From: "Marc L. Summers-SysAdmin" Subject: MR2 leafcharger reply Hello: To the person that is attempting to install a leaf blower as a super charger or turbocharger type substitute. The main problem that you have to over come is static head pressure. Most of those types of devices, vacuum cleaners, leaf blowers and the like, are not required to blow air against a static head. I would suspect that if a chart were drawn of the actual CFM output based on static head, that the actual CFM's would drop off rather quickly. And of course attempting to sustain the motor for any length of time, if the system actually does draw 12 amps or anywhere near it, at 115 to 120 volts thats from 1380 to 1440 watts. Now on the 12v side, even if the alternator is putting out 14.4 or so as P = E*I then I = P/E = 1380/14.4 = 95.83 amps to a high of 100 amps. Just consider the battery and generator system that would have to be inplace to sustain that kind of draw, for even a short period of time. One other thing to consider, is the shear weight of all of this. An inverter to handle that kind of wattage will weigh over 60 lbs, and the spare battery weight to sustain that would weigh probably another 60 lbs, and where will, and how will you mount the second alternator necessary to sustain the second system? When you consider all of this, this is not a workable project. Even at a DC level, if you had a motor and blower system that would be able to sustain that kind of static head pressure it would be a fairly costly system. Of course this is not to say that an electric turbocharger system could not be constructed, but, I would stop and ask myself one simple question, "How many of these electric turbocharger systems have you seen installed on other cars?" The answer to that question, is the anwer you are seeking. :) Hope that helps. - -- + ------------------------------------------------- + + +++ N E C +++ +++ A M E R I C A +++ + + ------------------------------------------------- + + Marc L. Summers System Administrator + + 3100 N.E. Shute Road Hillsboro Oregon 97124 + + PH: 1-503-681-3338 FAX: 1-503-681-3304 + + Email: marcs@tdd.hbo.nec.com + + ---------- Sic transit gloria mundi. ------------ + + --- "Thus passes away the glory of the world." -- + + ------------------------------------------------- + ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:01:34 -0500 From: Phil Cutajar Subject: MR2 MKII bushings recommendations Greetings MR2 folk, I'm getting a set of tokico's for my baby and decided this would be a good time to also upgrade my bushings. Does anyone have any experiences (good or bad) with aftermarket brands? I believe TRD, Energy, ST and others make them. Please specify approximate cost. Thanks in advance. - -- Phil Cutajar '93 MR2-Turbo, Super White, 74k miles K&N FIPK, MR2-PP MBC mailto:Solo2_MR2@ibm.net my web page:http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/6213/index.htm ICQ #6032611 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 10:50:39 -0800 From: svogeding@earthlink.net (Jefferson) Subject: MR2 turbo manifold warranty to 70k in ca? Someone recently posted that Egr's and manifolds are covered in California until 70k. This sounded like a god send for my ticking 91t with 65k on it, so I call the local dealer who tells me what the owners manual tells me. 5 years/50,000 miles. Funk! but no surprise. Was this 70k replacement post a pipe dream? If anyone at all could fill me in I'd much appreciate it. I didn't quite get everything I wanted for Christmas, and this would pretty much take care of the rest of my list. -Jefferson V 91t ____ .-'& '-. / \ : o o ; ( (_ ) : ; \ __ / `-._____.-' Jeff Vogeding http://home.earthlink.net/~svogeding | ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V2 #25