mr2-digest Thursday, December 25 1997 Volume 02 : Number 022 re: Interesting MR2 (MK!) sighting ordering MR2 stuff Re: MR2 Re: mr2 touch-up paint Re: interesting MR2 sighting (Mk 1) Re: MR2 Re: wat color ? Re: MR2 Re: wat color ? MR2 Mk2 factory color..."Se" ? aka "Terrys VIN" Re: MR2 (all models) grinding/skip shifting MR2 MKII potenzare71 Re: MR2 (all models) grinding/skip shifting MR2 skipping gears Re: interesting MR2 sighting (Mk 1) MR2 MKI Leafcharger, new idea Re: MR2 skipping gears MR2 Re: MKII potenzare71 Re: MR2 MKI Leafcharger, new idea MR2 3 in 1 system Re: MR2 MKI Leafcharger, new idea Re: MR2/MKI: New owner questions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 13:15:24 -0500 From: "Ardell L. Simon" Subject: re: Interesting MR2 (MK!) sighting O.K. I am adding my .02. I have also seen several MKI with a two tone black/tan paint job, same as the green but with black. I have seen several of these around. Jeff F At 11:43 AM 12/25/97 -0500, you wrote: > The two-tone MR2 that Bill Brandt spotted was an early factory option for >the first MR2's. That option was available in 1985 before the "aero >package" option was available. I always thought it was interesting, but >not really pretty (at least that was MY opinion...) It was a dark green >top and a sort of tan or beige bottom. The seats (if cloth) also carried >that theme, I believe, in the early versions, or at least the lighter >panels on the seats were that beige color. I'm sure I have some photos >around her of a MK1 with that color scheme. If anyone wants me to send >them a jpeg, let me know, and I will find a photo, scan it and send it. >Happy New Year! See you "Mid-Atlantic Northeasters" in Atlantic City this >Sunday! >------- >Joe Pearlstein >mailto:nu3y@critpath.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 13:36:36 -0500 From: Phil Cutajar Subject: ordering MR2 stuff Chris, Jeff at Rebel motorsports seems to have good deals and good reliable service from what I hear. I'm ordering my Tokico's from him myself. You can reach him by e-mail at mailto:jsbihn@digiscape.com and he's also on ICQ at #2954300. Good luck and Season's Greetings. - -- Phil Cutajar '93 MR2-Turbo, Super White, 74k miles K&N FIPK, MR2-PP MBC mailto:Solo2_MR2@ibm.net my web page:http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/6213/index.htm ICQ #6032611 > Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 20:08:29 -0600 > From: "Chris King" > Subject: MR2 Mr2 MKII Performance Parts > > Okay. I should be getting my profit sharing check from work here in the > next week so I am thinking I am gonna upgrade the exhaust and air filter to > an HKS and K&N. Also looking to pick up some tokico's while I am at it. > ANyone able to tell me where I can get all these things for a reasonable > price? Any input greatly appreciated. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 02:12:40 -0400 From: bagdon@rust.net (S and K Bagdon) Subject: Re: MR2 Re: mr2 touch-up paint >It's very unlikely that a dealer will stock a 13-yr old color. I'd be a >little surprised if they could even order it. > >Not to worry: just call a store that specializes in automotive paint. Give >them your color code and they will have a pint ready by the time you stop by. >It'll cost a bit more than the $5 tube of touch-up, but you'll get *many* >times more paint. If you don't have the code (or can't find it), they'll have >chips that you can look at to match. Good luck. The codes on the VIN plate. Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 02:15:02 -0400 From: bagdon@rust.net (S and K Bagdon) Subject: Re: interesting MR2 sighting (Mk 1) >I thought I'd post this because it was the first MR2 I looked at on my MR2 >odessy....an older woman was driving it and it looked as nice or even nicer >than my 86. This 86 was an option - a green with a beige or golden two-tone >- anyone seen it? Jade. Dave A. has a car this color, don't you Dave? Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 02:16:14 -0400 From: bagdon@rust.net (S and K Bagdon) Subject: Re: MR2 Re: wat color ? >> >> Can someone please check out this photo and tell me what color this MKII >>is??? >> >> I have never seen this color before?? >> >> http://www.autobytel.com/cyberstore/detail.cfm?used_id=52896&id=edmunds&ZIP_ >> code_ch=19610 > >"SISSY BLUE" The Mk I was nicknamed 'Smurf Blue' (Scott D.). Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 11:29:08 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: Re: MR2 Re: wat color ? > >> Can someone please check out this photo and tell me what color this MKII > >>is??? > >> > >> I have never seen this color before?? > >> > >> http://www.autobytel.com/cyberstore/detail.cfm?used_id=52896&id=edmunds&ZIP_ > >> code_ch=19610 > > > >"SISSY BLUE" > > The Mk I was nicknamed 'Smurf Blue' (Scott D.). sooooo.....this is an actual factory color then? i thought this only came as a "Gangsta" upgrade (or as part of the "Mary Kaye" package?) what a crime. terry is feeling better now, everyone is out in the park (Balboa) in shorts, basking in the winter sun's rayz. my, what a nice day - terry > > Steve B. > > > terry 92turbosteelmistgreyttopsloadedlikeme with to many mods to list...ahhh what the hell... 15"fittapaldion5waytokicostrutsmotivatedbyamanualboostcontrollerspinn ingaTRDkevlarclutchactivaledbymotul600fluidallbrougthtoascreaminghalt bystainlesssteelbraidedlinespushingmotul600topowerstopcadniumplatedcr ossdrilledrotorsthatclampcarbotechpadsintherearafterwhichiturnoth eturbotimer. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 12:00:13 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: MR2 Mk2 factory color..."Se" ? aka "Terrys VIN" Gentlepersons and boyz, ive been having conversations with others privately and i was wondering: 1) since Steel Mist Grey (SMG) came in the turbo model only (in the 92 year), would this constitute a Special Edition (Se). SMG did come in all models 93+ however. 2) here is my VIN. what can the soothsayers say about my 2? JT28SW22N7N0056934 3) if it does make the coveted Se status, what if any, enhanced $$ value am i looking at? "Terry's VIN and the stories therein" terry ------------------------------ Date: 25 Dec 1997 20:04:43 -0000 From: Felix Morley Finch Subject: Re: MR2 (all models) grinding/skip shifting >>In article <19971225180805.AAA28933@cx269065-a.dt1.sdca.home.com>, TerrySaltzman@home.com writes: >> > I also skip shift on occaision, and my 93T has >> > always resented the 2-5 or 3-5 upshift. It has >> > 45K miles, mostly highway, but has ground on this >> > shift since new. >> >> Can't resist asking...why are you guys skipping gears? > yeah, why are yall doing this? Because redline in 3rd (my stock Mk I) is ~90, so get on the freeway in 3rd, settle down in 5th. I have done 2-5 once in a while, when the onramp is uphill but the freeway goes downhill, and/or there's enough traffic ahead that there's no point in getting into 3rd at all :-) - -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman & rocket surgeon / felix@crowfix.com PGP = 91 B3 94 7C E9 E8 76 2D E1 63 51 AA A0 48 89 2F I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 14:27:34 -0600 From: "Chris King" Subject: MR2 MKII potenzare71 Terry, What size are you running on the fronts? I have looked religiously for stock 195/60/14s for my front but have only found one place that sells them and they were in the neighborhood of $140-150 each!!! Too much for me. TIre rack carries the 205/60/14 but unfortunately (or fortunately really) my backs are ok. Does anyone know where you can pick these up for cheap? My old Potenza's are getting pretty bare in the front. In fact, the potenza's on the front are the original ones that came with the car. My car now has 59,000 miles on it. Not too bad seeing as how I believe mr faq states they should last for say 14k miles. Chris K. 91 NA w/stock PotenzaRE71 up front, Falken 205/60/14 in back and hopefully a cupholder next week!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 14:36:14 -0600 From: Bernie Long Subject: Re: MR2 (all models) grinding/skip shifting TerrySaltzman@home.com wrote: > > > > I also skip shift on occaision, and my 93T has > > > always resented the 2-5 or 3-5 upshift. It has > > > 45K miles, mostly highway, but has ground on this > > > shift since new. > > > > Can't resist asking...why are you guys skipping gears? > > yeah, why are yall doing this? > > terry Well, if I hustle into traffic from a stop, up to the top of 2nd, and the top of 2nd gear matches traffic speed and is into the rev range for 5th, why not? I'd much rather add wear cycles to 5th than 3rd anyway. I see no reason to do anything but slip it gently into 5th in this situation, so wear should be minimal. My 8 year old and I had occasion to ride in my '86 this morning. A couple of days ago, I switched from the stock exhaust to a cheapie "turbo" muffler just for fun. It is enjoyably noisy. I asked little Patrick what he thought. He gave me a Tim Taylor grunt and said "More Power!". Great kid, huh?! :-) Merry Christmas! Bernie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 14:43:34 -0800 From: "David Hawkins" Subject: MR2 skipping gears Since it was my post that was quoted, I'll respond.... I skip gears only when I've been revving pretty hard and don't want to keep up a massive acceleration pace. If you go flying onto the interstate and hit 60 in second gear, it isn't going to hurt to jump to fourth. Fifth, we've proven, will hurt as the box can't take the 2-5 shift. I am not about to advocate shifting like the 1-4 lockout in the Corvette, because you are right in that our cars don't have the torque for that and the lugging is bad. I just think it's of no use to run through every gear when you are the speed you want, and you should be in fifth at that speed....3-5 has never ground on my car. YMMV. As Marc Summers says on his "how to" sheets on MR2.com...."what you do to your car is what YOU do to your car" David H. otgrouch@twosrus.com 93T FIPK/RMS S.P/RMS MBC 89SC Cupholder 66 Corvair 96 Cannondale R900 Spinergy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 17:17:03 EST From: Daucott Subject: Re: interesting MR2 sighting (Mk 1) In a message dated 97-12-25 14:17:50 EST, you write: > Jade. Dave A. has a car this color, don't you Dave? Yep, it's "Jade" alright. DARK green, most often mistaken for black. I can't count the number of times the PA announcer at the autocross said "and the black MR2 comes in with..." It's kinda funny. I deleted the tan bottom half though so mine is all one color, the Jade green color. MUCH better looking IMHO, the two tone is not my style. Dave A. daucott@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 17:04:36 EST From: Sport Ridr Subject: MR2 MKI Leafcharger, new idea Wow, ive been thinking alot about how everyone said that there will be a problem with the voltage and amp drain. Well i thought, what if there was a 12v motor powerful enough? So i picked up the 10lb Grainger 1997 catalog and looked under electric motors, and i have found on page 3,747 an electric blower that runs on 12 volts, its used for emergency exhaust and stuff, also for marine use. They have 3 modles ranging from: 105cfm @ $45.00 150cfm @ $67.00 250cfm @ $81.00 These will work perfect. Now, is 105, 150, or 250cfm's good enough to build enough boost to do anything? Anything at all? Even 5 horsepower? I hope it is. Someone please help me on this one. I also thought of taking out the motor of the blower and putting a large gear on it and putting a small gear on the shaft of the blower wheel so the motor would spin the blower wheel faster. The whole unit looks close to a turbo housing. Weird. Mike Craig 86 MR2 86/95 ZX-6R ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 14:38:19 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: Re: MR2 skipping gears > Since it was my post that was quoted, I'll respond.... me too....(and you thought i wouldn't, ha!) > I skip gears only when I've been revving pretty hard > and don't want to keep up a massive acceleration pace. > If you go flying onto the interstate and hit 60 in second > gear, it isn't going to hurt to jump to fourth. Fifth, we've > proven, will hurt as the box can't take the 2-5 shift. in dialogue this sounds correct, i have not tried it, but i will next time in the 2 (2-5 and 2-4). personally i try not to tax (rev) the motor to this extent IICHI (if i can help it). > YMMV. As Marc Summers says on his "how to" sheets > on MR2.com...."what you do to your car is what YOU do > to your car" how true. terry 92turbosteelmistgreyttopsloadedlikeme with to many mods to list...ahhh what the hell... 15"fittapaldion5waytokicostrutsmotivatedbyamanualboostcontrollerspinn ingaTRDkevlarclutchactivaledbymotul600fluidallbrougthtoascreaminghalt bystainlesssteelbraidedlinespushingmotul600topowerstopcadniumplatedcr ossdrilledrotorsthatclampcarbotechpadsintherearafterwhichiturnoth eturbotimer. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 15:02:42 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: MR2 Re: MKII potenzare71 > Terry, > What size are you running on the fronts? stock: 195/60/14 fronts, 205/60/14 rears my mod (fittapaldi 15" exclusives): 205/50/15 fronts, 225/50/15 rears > I have looked religiously for > stock 195/60/14s for my front but have only found one place that sells them > and they were in the neighborhood of $140-150 each!!! Too much for me. i HAD found the same thing (with RE71s). i have in the past run AVSis' and A509s' but now with the RE71s' as mentioned before. > TIre rack carries the 205/60/14 but unfortunately (or fortunately really) > my backs are ok. Does anyone know where you can pick these up for cheap? > My old Potenza's are getting pretty bare in the front. In fact, the > potenza's on the front are the original ones that came with the car. its amazing how fast we go through rear tires on this car 2x - 3x as fast as the fronts. > My car now has 59,000 miles on it. Not too bad seeing as how I believe mr faq > states they should last for say 14k miles. got ~12k off the origional RE71s' and ~15k off the AVSi s'. now at 90-99 bucks a tire i can afford to go through em. the avis' go for ~150? not cheap enough for me. note most data is NOT empirically supported, mearly "seat of the pants" (SOTP) research. what's with the "cupholder" thingy? i can bearly keep my innards in when i drive, let alone some beverage in a cupholder ; ) cupholder in Mr2? never have, never will - terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 15:10:23 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: Re: MR2 MKI Leafcharger, new idea > Wow, ive been thinking alot about how everyone said that there will be a > problem with the voltage and amp drain. Well i thought, what if there was a > 12v motor powerful enough? So i picked up the 10lb Grainger 1997 catalog and > looked under electric motors, kudos mike !!! ive been sitting patiently wondering when someone was going to pickup their Grainger "Bible". i would have, but told myself that i was not to get involved in this one. i think i succeeded? The Grainger Catalogue "Man's Best Friend" - http://www.grainger.com terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:06:49 -0600 From: toyotamr2@juno.com (Guess Who) Subject: MR2 3 in 1 system Will the 3 in 1 system fit an 88 mr2?? The 88 mr2 has the double din system so would the 3 in 1 double din system fit in that space?? Would i need a different adapter?? Thanks Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 16:45:57 -0800 From: Randy Chase Subject: Re: MR2 MKI Leafcharger, new idea Sport Ridr wrote: > > Wow, ive been thinking alot about how everyone said that there will be a > problem with the voltage and amp drain. Well i thought, what if there was a > 12v motor powerful enough? Like Terry, I was going to stay out of this, but I would like to mention that there is no free lunch. So i picked up the 10lb Grainger 1997 catalog and > looked under electric motors, and i have found on page 3,747 an electric > blower that runs on 12 volts, its used for emergency exhaust and stuff, also > for marine use. They have 3 modles ranging from: > 105cfm @ $45.00 > 150cfm @ $67.00 > 250cfm @ $81.00 > These will work perfect. Now, is 105, 150, or 250cfm's good enough to build > enough boost to do anything? Anything at all? Even 5 horsepower? I hope it is. > Someone please help me on this one. I also thought of taking out the motor of > the blower and putting a large gear on it and putting a small gear on the > shaft of the blower wheel so the motor would spin the blower wheel faster. The > whole unit looks close to a turbo housing. Weird. I would consult my McMaster-Carr (the *real* bible of inventors...okay, we have lot's of bibles I guess). I also have catalogs of lots of fan and blower companys. This is beyond my range of skill, but I do design stuff that needs to be cooled (or heated). If the intake is operating at X CFM already, the fan must push more air to create a positive pressure, right? In other words, if the intake is drawing air at 100cfm, and you place a 100cfm fan in front of the intake, the fan doesn't push 200cfm, right? So you need a blower that can really push some air and you need to know what the air pressure and flow is now in the MR2. The leafblower is one that can push air. The fan in your dash is not. 105cfm is close of standard electronic enclosure fans (not a lot). Also, these blowers are rated at 0" static pressure. The CFM numbers will be very different in the intake application. The idea is to create positive pressure. When you add backpressure to the equation, some of these fans can push air and some can't. An anology would be airpumps. Some can pump volume, some can pump pressure. Some fans can move a lot of air, but not handle backpressure well. There is usually a trade-off here. So we come down to three options: Electric powered (DC or AC). I think that there is no way you can spin *any* motor fast enough to do what you want with the existing MR2 electrical system. Maybe, but I doubt it. Perhaps one could find a way to store the energy. To be economical, I see this as only for "burst" mode use. Independantly powered. The Gas powered leafblower. This has some major problems, such as noise, exhaust. and refueling. Beyond that, would anyone really do this for regular driving? I would look at NOS first. Mechanically powered. Well, now we have a supercharger. If you drive it from the motor or a turbo if we use an exhaust based impeller. Perhaps there is some other way to store the mechanical energy and release it upon acceleration (use braking energy as some of the EVs do). You could create a whole electrical system to power the blower using stored energy for short periods of acceleration. Okay..I've said enough. Feel free to jump in here. I am not an auto intake engineer and my knowledge about turbos and superchargers is very limited. I drive an NA car. 8) Randy Chase *hoping all are having a good holiday* '91 Mr2 NA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 17:29:27 -0800 (PST) From: myt@cypress.com (Micky Thutiyakul / Product Engineer) Subject: Re: MR2/MKI: New owner questions I guess using the words "very cold" is a relative thing. It's about 55 F in the Bay Area right now. I just moved the car today (tommorrow is street cleaning), and it stayed above 2k for approx. 10 secs. But a couple winters ago, wind chill did drop it down to zero (moisture on the car froze overnight) several times. At start up I always let the car just sit and idle until the temp. needle begins to move (roughly 2 minutes). But even on those "very cold" mornings, the rpms never stayed above 2k for more than ~30 secs. Micky '89 SC MR2 > From: Robert Schultz > Subject: Re: MR2/MKI: New owner questions > > > > Even on a very cold day the engine should roar up to 2K~3k at start up and > > then immediately settle down to 1.5K rpms or lower until it warms up. > > > > My 85 Mk1 stays above 2000 rpm for the almost 5 minutes it takes for me to drive to > work. I live in michigan and all of the last 3 or 4 Mr-2's I've driven during the > winter acted the same when it was very cold out > > Bob > ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V2 #22