mr2-digest Monday, December 22 1997 Volume 02 : Number 012 MR2 Turbo - poor gas mileage! REWARD FOR FINDING ME AN MR2 MR2 RE: MKII pedals MR2 MKI SC owners Re: MR2 Turbo - poor gas mileage! MR2 Re: mr2-digest V2 #10 MR2 Fw: MKII upgrade weekend MR2 Attn Jeff Fazio Re: REWARD FOR FINDING ME AN MR2 MR2- MKII NA MR2 MKII Supercharging vs. Turbo cars MR2 MKII NA (more 5SFE info) MR2 KYB shocks; Dinos Re:MR2 RMS Exhaust MR2 mr2 NA engine replacments ? MR2 MkI : Hyper Rev for AE86/etc/Levin/Trueno MR2 Re: MkII 5S-FE build up Re: MR2 MKII NA (more 5SFE info) MR2 Midwest Mr2 Members!! Important MR2 VIN Numbers...MkII MR2 MKII Turbo - What Fuel Cut? Re: MR2 Midwest Mr2 Members!! Important ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:11:05 -0500 From: Jamie Dennis Subject: MR2 Turbo - poor gas mileage! Anyone have any leads to tracking down poor gas mileage? Recently my '93 Turbo (59k miles) dropped from getting about 20mpg to about 16mpg (last ~3 tanks). When I got the car (20k miles), I was getting 23-26mpg. Current mods include HKS SPF filter, greddy profec, hks seq. bov, dual intercooler fan mod, new (marc summers) cap, new rotor, old plug wires, as well as some others that I wouldn't expect to affect my gas mileage. On one tank, I got about 16mpg with the profec turned off (~7psi max), so that shouldn't be it. Thanks for any hints! - -Jamie - -- Misspellers of the world untie! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:47:33 -0500 From: "Ardell L. Simon" Subject: REWARD FOR FINDING ME AN MR2 What I want: A 93+ turbo with less than 60K miles located within 400 miles of Philadelphia Pa. HAS to have: PS,PB,PL,PW,CRUISE,3-1 stereo,T-tops Only colors considered: Silver,Black,Yellow,White,Teal/Turquoise I will pay $100 to the person who locates the car that RESULTS in my purchase. I don't buy the car...you don't get the reward! I WILL GIVE A $25 BONUS IF IT IS SILVER!!! Jeff F....I want my MR2 BACK!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:45:46 -0600 From: Allen Sanders Subject: MR2 RE: MKII pedals Is there a difference in brands? It seems like they're just pieces of metal. Getting some drilled aluminum pedals for Xmas :) Along with a short leather shift knob and Ken's boot. BTW, what is Ken's address again? Allen asanders@law.tulane.edu '85 na silver > Greetings, > I'd like to get some new aftermarket racing pedals for Christmas. Can > anyone suggest a brand and a source for them. I've heard the Razo > pedals > are good, any others? > > Thanks. > > -- > Phil Cutajar > '93 MR2-Turbo, Super White, 74k miles > K&N FIPK, MR2-PP MBC > mailto:Solo2_MR2@ibm.net > my web page:http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/6213/index.htm > ICQ #6032611 > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 9:02:57 PST From: "Marc L. Summers-SysAdmin" Subject: MR2 MKI SC owners Hello MKI SC owners: For those interested, I am now doing the copper contact mod for SC MKI's. The copper contacts will allow much greater wear time on the contacts than the stock aluminum contacts. And also since the gap from rotor to dist contact is reduced to about .025 then for those that have upgraded to CD ignition systems this will help your CD system work at its peak. CD ignitions do not like "booster gaps" such as the one that is in the stock rotor to dist. contact setup. The stock gap is about .060 which for a purely stock ignition setup is OK, but if you want to make any mods at all and especially use of a good aftermarket CD system then the booster gap must go. Please let me know if you are interested, in the copper contact mod for your SC MR2. Thanks, and Happy Holidays to all. - -- + ------------------------------------------------- + + +++ N E C +++ +++ A M E R I C A +++ + + ------------------------------------------------- + + Marc L. Summers System Administrator + + 3100 N.E. Shute Road Hillsboro Oregon 97124 + + PH: 1-503-681-3338 FAX: 1-503-681-3304 + + Email: marcs@tdd.hbo.nec.com + + ---------- Sic transit gloria mundi. ------------ + + --- "Thus passes away the glory of the world." -- + + ------------------------------------------------- + ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:53:07 -0500 From: Steve Bagdon Subject: Re: MR2 Turbo - poor gas mileage! Jamie Dennis wrote: > > Anyone have any leads to tracking down poor gas mileage? > Recently my '93 Turbo (59k miles) dropped from getting > about 20mpg to about 16mpg (last ~3 tanks). When I got the > car (20k miles), I was getting 23-26mpg. > > Current mods include HKS SPF filter, greddy profec, hks seq. bov, > dual intercooler fan mod, new (marc summers) cap, new rotor, old > plug wires, as well as some others that I wouldn't expect to affect > my gas mileage. On one tank, I got about 16mpg with the profec turned > off (~7psi max), so that shouldn't be it. O2 sensor? Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:51:39 -0800 From: "David Hawkins" Subject: MR2 Re: mr2-digest V2 #10 > Not to drive a wedge between the turbo and the n/a guys, but I am beginning to get the suspicion > that the turbo guys are a little apprehensive about what we n/a guys may gain by supercharging > the 5SFE. The fact that the Turbo guys are the ones who are trying to discourage the sc project > makes me even more interested in the sc project. > Thanks Patrick I think you've found a soft spot! Uh, if you aren't trying to drive a wedge, why would you split the group into "turbo guys" and "NA guys" ????? The only discouragement I've heard was in the vein of trying to save you some time and money. Both of my cars are forced induction, but I would NEVER make a blanket negative statement about people just because the drove NAs..... Why look for a soft spot if you don't want to drive a wedge??? All you've done here is drive a wedge between some turbo people and YOU. David H. otgrouch@twosrus.com 93T FIPK/RMS S.P/RMS MBC 89SC Cupholder 66 Corvair 96 Cannondale R900 Spinergy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:55:28 -0800 From: "David Hawkins" Subject: MR2 Fw: MKII upgrade weekend Ooops. I wrote: > Jeff was very helpful and I'd like to publicly thank him. He could have > just shipped these to me and told me "You're on your own" but instead > he let me come to Biloxi and lose $100 before we got started :) If you don't know, gambling is legal in Biloxi and I was at a Casino. Jeff in no way took this money from me. Didn't mean to give that impression... sorry. David H. otgrouch@twosrus.com 93T FIPK/RMS S.P/RMS MBC 89SC Cupholder 66 Corvair 96 Cannondale R900 Spinergy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:26:17 -0800 From: "BryanW" Subject: MR2 Attn Jeff Fazio Sorry to use up the bandwidth but I have been trying to get in touch with Jeff Fazio regarding some parts from his mr2 but my messages keep getting returned undelivered. Jeff, I am still interested in the parts(levers and gague cluster) and also was wondering about the glovebox, front calipers & rotors and plastic trim that goes around the spare tire. Bryan - ------------------------------------------------------ | Your boss can read your Email. Is this what you want? | http://www.goplay.com/email/1000001 - it's FREE! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:35:07 -0800 From: Jonathan Oellrich Subject: Re: REWARD FOR FINDING ME AN MR2 >>>I will pay $100 to the person who locates the car...I WILL GIVE A $25 BONUS IF IT IS SILVER!!! Jeff F....I want my MR2 BACK!!! >>> Is it just me, or does it seem as if Jeff is trying to bribe someone into breaking the pact that all MR2 owners have sworn to uphold? Stand fast all ye who love our '2s, lest another be lost to this inexplicably unlucky MR2 crasher! Jon Silver '87 that is being watched just a little more closely now... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:36:10 -0800 From: Mike Chou Subject: MR2- MKII NA OK so if I swap in a 3SGE from Japan and the redline is 7000 RPM's, does that mean my top speed will increase proportionally?(Assuming I can overcome the air resistance of course) So I should be looking at a 140 mph top speed? I am thinking that would be pretty OK... Mike C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:44:03 -0600 From: "Nathan Dyck" Subject: MR2 MKII Supercharging vs. Turbo cars Greg Dimas wrote: > that the turbo guys are a little apprehensive about what we n/a guys > may gain by supercharging << see below for full text>> I've stayed out of this until now, but....THAT is the most REDICULOUS thing I have heard in a long time. It ranks up there with the government implanting chips into all cars so that they can shut everthing down if they ever want to. I wouldn't bother me a bit if someone spend $4k modifying his car so it would go faster than mine. Would it make my car and slower. No. Nathan Dyck 91 MR2 Turbo > Not to drive a wedge between the turbo and the n/a guys, but I am > beginning to get the suspicion > that the turbo guys are a little apprehensive about what we n/a guys > may gain by supercharging > the 5SFE. The fact that the Turbo guys are the ones who are trying > to discourage the sc project > makes me even more interested in the sc project. > Thanks Patrick I think you've found a soft spot! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:34:47 -0800 From: Mike Chou Subject: MR2 MKII NA (more 5SFE info) OK I am now thinking I will just get some head work done, etc. Apparently a place in Berkeley can modify a 5SFE upto around 160 driveshaft horses (or so they say) But I will go there to test drive some car in which he has a hot-rodded 5SFE in it. He claimed also that the 3SGE head could be put on the 5SFE..I guess it has much better breathing (valve angles) Also he said the 5SFE headbolts are not re-usable and they're made to stretch with the head. Funky eh? But damn I really wanted a higher redline..woulda been cool to rev upto 7k RPM's.. Anyway for about 1300 he said he could put in cams and do some head work. I figure I could do that and get a header later etc.. Anyone else want the number lemme know. He's probably gonna be busy or not there until next year tho. (Which is when I am gonna go there and test drive that 5SFE in whatever car it's in..) C'ya..(BTW the place is called Oceanworks.. thanks to whoever put it on the mr2.com site..Oh yeah you can look up the number there too.. ) Mike C.. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:46:41 -0800 From: william brandt Subject: MR2 KYB shocks; Dinos I had some KYB's on a Toyota Celica a good 10 years ago. they were the gas shocks - I had to have 1 exchanged under warranty as it was leaking oil. My personal opinion - they are not as good as a Tokiko or Bilstein and since changing the struts is such a PITA use the best or don't mess... BTW I changed the rear Bilsteins on the Mercedes last week - 13 years old & 150,000 miles - the new ones are virtually the same as the old ones... Dino - That was a good post Phil - I have an artist friend in Reno who in better times in the 70's had a Ferrari Daytona - bought it for $13,000 in the '70's - could have had a Dino for something ridiculous...FWIW I've heard that Dinos are terrible for reliability - something always going. The Fiat/Dino (or whatever it was called) was as ugly as the 246 was beautiful... Bill Larry Crozier wrote: > Has anyone on the list had any experience with KYB Products? If so, what > parts and what was your experience? William L. Brandt wbco@wbco.com Sacramento, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:22:07 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan John Blumberg Subject: Re:MR2 RMS Exhaust Hi guys, [SIDE NOTE] Looks like the mass buy, if there are enough people is going to be greddy. ANy greddy products that you have been wanting? I was wondering about the rms exhaust... price... specs... I guess I should be reading the digest more, but any info would be appreciated. I AM looking for a used greddy exhaust for a 91 turbo, so if anyone switching wants to give a poor college student *smile* a nice deal, it would be appreciated (a whole bunch). Thanx... Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 20:28:22 +0000 From: Chris Lee Subject: MR2 mr2 NA engine replacments ? I blew my engine in my 86 NA and am wondering if maybe I should look at something more powerfull, been told the Supercharged engine "can" be put in, what about the newer turbocharged one? any other engines from toyota or even porsche fit in there? Chris Lee Princeton, BC, Canada one dead 86 mr2 NA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:07:43 -0800 From: Karen or Jeffrey Subject: MR2 MkI : Hyper Rev for AE86/etc/Levin/Trueno Hey all, picked up a copy of HR for the Levin/etc for S. Gunter. Quick flipping through it revealed lotsa neat lil toys those boys in Japan have for 4A-G(Z)E motors etc... They got some turbo manifolds and some carbs lotsa cold air kits. Cool wheels of course. Lotsa camshafts and engine building kits. I think i think, the HKS twincharging system is in there. It's hard to make out (all these parts!) but I'm guessing that's why it's so complicated looking (twincharge) One tuner even made a body kit to resemble a Type R Integra. They called it the Levin Type R. Looked good though. :) I dig the projector lamp looks some other Levins have. One cool modification is a carbon fiber intake manifold w/ individual runners going into the 4A-GE. If Gunter doesn't mind a day or two delay, I can start scanning in a few pics of the HR for all to behold... TRD had the inner cover ad beholding a 4A-GE BEAUTIFUL turbo polished manifold, cam sprockets, etc etc Sorry won't be back in Torrance to see if there are any Hyper Revs there left for another week. I'm enjoying the 50 degree weather in San Francisco! - - Jeffrey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:17:14 -0800 From: Karen or Jeffrey Subject: MR2 Re: MkII 5S-FE build up At 09:27 AM 12/22/97 -0500, Steve Bagdon wrote: >> the 5SFE. The fact that the Turbo guys are the ones who >> are trying to discourage the sc project Greg : Turbo owners are discouraging the 5S-FE tuning learning curve because it's NOT the most cost effective way of building the MR2 into a potent performer. If you could be happy with mid 14 - mid 13 second performance WITHOUT sinking another $5k and SERIOUS downtime into a 5S-FE buildup for more power, then by all means go ahead and plunk $4-5k into the 5S-FE. But we Turbo owners ARE NOT satisified with mid 14 second to mid 13 second performance. Heck 14s is what does almost stock, and we're NOT happy enuff still! So you can see why I'm skeptical about your longterm happiness of a custom forced induction setup on a 5S-FE. I mean this is what happened in the Honda circles. The 1.6 Civic SOHC engine, albeit a good motor for its displacement is just a difficult motor to make big horsepower out of reliably. $5k into a turbo, then $5k into the motor. Just to run 12s... you can swap in a STOCK Integra engine for $3k, turbo it/ NOS it, and it'll hit 11's. If anything, I'm just trying to save you some $$$ and headaches. And I think I'll stop trying since you love the road less travelled. And it's obviously less travelled for good reason. - - Jeffrey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:00:06 -0500 From: Steve Bagdon Subject: Re: MR2 MKII NA (more 5SFE info) Mike Chou wrote: > > OK I am now thinking I will just get some head work done, etc. > Apparently a place in Berkeley can modify a 5SFE upto around 160 > driveshaft horses (or so they say) But I will go there to test drive > some car in which he has a hot-rodded 5SFE in it. He claimed also that > the 3SGE head could be put on the 5SFE..I guess it has much better > breathing (valve angles) Also he said the 5SFE headbolts are not > re-usable and they're made to stretch with the head. Funky eh? Not really. My manual's at home, but isn't the 3S-GTE 'torque to a certain poundage, then turn 270degrees'? Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:28:20 -0600 From: toyotamr2@juno.com (Guess Who) Subject: MR2 Midwest Mr2 Members!! Important I have finally gotten to the point were I am ready to setup the members directory on the Midwest Mr2 page. If you could send your name, email addresa year of your mr2 and any mods or other information you would like to include.. You can send all text information back to this email address which is toyotamr2@juno.com but if you would like to have a picture along side of you infromation send any pictures to Mr2Boy@ix.netcom.com. If you just hit respond to this message it will be sent to toyotamr2@juno.com Thanks Joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:38:59 -0800 From: Troy Pummill Subject: MR2 VIN Numbers...MkII All, I have just taken delivery of an MR2 for a friend (two MR2s in the driveway. Is this heaven or what?) Anyway, the VINs differ in the 9 digit. His is JT2sw22n4r0088911 Mine is JT2sw22n3r0089936 what's the difference between a 3 and 4 in this case....? Also, seems to indicate that our cars were 1025 apart. I thought there were only 900 of these cars sold in the US in 1994 (source MR2.com faq) thanks... troy mailto:trop@hitachi.com http://members.aol.com/tropsmr2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:53:46 -0800 From: "James S. King" Subject: MR2 MKII Turbo - What Fuel Cut? I installed the wastegate restrictor on my '93 Turbo as per Marc Summers' technical note found on the website. This went smoothly enough. Out of curiosity I decided to drive the car WITHOUT installing an FCD (or trying the Team Toyota Europe zener diode fix) to see how the factory Fuel Cut circuit worked. Well... it didn't. Instead of the stock 9 PSI I now had 14 PSI. I have a quality Stillen 0-25 PSI gauge, so these numbers aren't guesses. Question: I thought the fuel cut was supposed to happen at ~12 PSI. What's the official spec for when this circuit is supposed to kick in? I'm worried that the fuel cut circuit in my car may be kaputt and that I'm running with NO overboost protection whatsoever. Jim '93 Turquoise Turbo. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:03:22 -0600 From: "Chris King" Subject: Re: MR2 Midwest Mr2 Members!! Important Whoa whoa whoa... I think we better get some kind of organizational scheme here before everybody just starts making the midwest mr2 page, etc. I do have a complete listing of everyone interested and it seems to be a pretty fair amount of people. If any of you are wondering, it looks like Scott McBurney and I are going to be trying to plan something in the spring (assuming he doesn't move to Florida :( ). Regardless of if he does move, there should still be some kind of trip planned. Anyways, it seems to me premature to set anything up at this point. Afterall, none of us have even gotten together for alomost a year and a half. It would be better to discuss it when me actually all get together and so forth. Thus, I vote for putting the page on hold. There are other issues too like who is gonna do what and so forth. Anyone else??? Chris K. 91 NA - ---------- > From: Guess Who > To: mr2-interest@mr2.com > Subject: MR2 Midwest Mr2 Members!! Important > Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:28 PM > > I have finally gotten to the point were I am ready to setup the members > directory on the Midwest Mr2 page. If you could send your name, email > addresa year of your mr2 and any mods or other information you would like > to include.. You can send all text information back to this email address > which is toyotamr2@juno.com but if you would like to have a picture along > side of you infromation send any pictures to Mr2Boy@ix.netcom.com. If you > just hit respond to this message it will be sent to toyotamr2@juno.com > Thanks > > Joe ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V2 #12