mr2-digest Sunday, December 21 1997 Volume 02 : Number 009 Re Remote Alarm System MR2 NA Re: MR2 NA Re: MR2 NA MR2 NA 2 MK2 Questions: Re: MR2 Subject Headers Re: Turbo Problems Re: MR2 dual gauge pods Re: MR2 dual gauge pods Re: LeafCharger Re: MR2 NA Re: TURBO : Need timing belt (parts) info Re: MR2 NA MK1: TRD cams, I cant get the dowel pin out Re: MR2 NA Re: MR2 NA Test for subject heading Re: MR2 NA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:59:38 -0800 From: "Thomas Guy" Subject: Re Remote Alarm System Hey Everyone I had a buddy set up my remote alarm system. Here is what he did: The doors and trunks needed to be closed and locked. There is a program button on the front of the alarm unit (located under the passenger seat), it is recessed and needs to be pushed with a small screwdriver for 2 seconds. The alarm beeps as if it was deactivated (even with the horn defeat set). You then press the button on the key fob that you wish to use until the alarm sets. It is that easy! The factory alarm allows for only two remotes to work with it. I am so stoked that my MR2 has remote locking and that I can use one fob for both the 4Runner and the Mr. Sh*t n Git! Thanks for the input anyway C Y A T. Guy Reno, NV 93 Teal Turbo 42K mi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:55:21 -0600 From: "Steve Hoult" Subject: MR2 NA I was reading the FEB '98 issue of SCC tonight. While perusing the article on supercharging I started thinking about all you guys with NA's wanting more power. It looks like Jackson Racing has solved the problem with supercharging high output, high compression, large overlap twin cam engines. They have just finished a Honda del Sol VTEC. The Dyno result are pretty impressive. Going from a peak HP of 124 at 7300 rpm to 155 hp at 8000 rpm. It was still climbing at that point. The increase seems to be 10%-20% over the whole range. Torque also gets a healthy increase from 90 ft/lbs at 6000 to 126 ft/lbs at 5500 rpm. It is also fairly flat from 2000 to 8000 rpm remaining over 110 ft/lbs from 2000 to 7100 rpm. Save up your pennies and call Jackson Racing. If enough of you guys called I'm sure they would make up a kit for the MR2. It'll probably cost all of $3500-4500 bucks since they aren't using an intercooler. Steve Hoult '89 SC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:08:27 -0800 From: Karen or Jeffrey Subject: Re: MR2 NA At 11:55 PM 12/20/97 -0600, Steve Hoult wrote: >more power. It looks like Jackson Racing has solved the problem with >supercharging high output, high compression, large overlap twin cam engines. I wasn't aware that these engines had problems with supercharging let alone turbocharging. >The Dyno result are pretty impressive. Going from a peak HP of 124 at 7300 >rpm to 155 hp at 8000 rpm. It was still climbing at that point. The increase >seems to be 10%-20% over the whole range. Torque also gets a healthy >increase from 90 ft/lbs at 6000 to 126 ft/lbs at 5500 rpm. It is also fairly >flat from 2000 to 8000 rpm remaining over 110 ft/lbs from 2000 to 7100 rpm. Have you seen the numbers from DRAG (turbo kit manuf'er) for various Honda engines? Much more impressive IMO than the JR SC setup. >Save up your pennies and call Jackson Racing. If enough of you guys called >I'm sure they would make up a kit for the MR2. It'll probably cost all of >$3500-4500 bucks since they aren't using an intercooler. FWIW, I wouldn't bother supercharging unless it's intercooled. A knowledgable dragger out on the East Coast installed 6 JR SC kits on Civics. He complained of the poor quality and the resulting power. Needless to say, his shop stopped carrying JR SC kits. IMNSHO, the JR SC kit is only worthwhile if you plan to stay in 1st and 2nd gear and only good for a few passes until the thing starts to heat soak. I've heard of quite a few Civics experiencing detonation and JR never seemed to fix this IMO severe problem. JR IS NOT a skilled tuning shop. Oscar may know how to drive, but he can't tune. Another case in point, a fellow brought his GS-R in to JR for dyno tuning -- he left with LESS power than he arrived with! WHAT A JOKE!!!! He then took it over to Dynamic Autosports who dyno tuned it correctly. I purchased something from JR years ago, and I was disgusted to find out I could have easily purchased it elsewhere for 600% less (I didn't know much then). JR is nothing but a brand name rip off. Sorry had to vent... - - Jeffrey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:26:29 +0800 From: sirmike Subject: Re: MR2 NA Steve Hoult wrote: > I was reading the FEB '98 issue of SCC tonight. While perusing the article > on supercharging I started thinking about all you guys with NA's wanting > more power. It looks like Jackson Racing has solved the problem with > supercharging high output, high compression, large overlap twin cam engines. > They have just finished a Honda del Sol VTEC. > > The Dyno result are pretty impressive. Going from a peak HP of 124 at 7300 > rpm to 155 hp at 8000 rpm. It was still climbing at that point. The increase > seems to be 10%-20% over the whole range. Torque also gets a healthy > increase from 90 ft/lbs at 6000 to 126 ft/lbs at 5500 rpm. It is also fairly > flat from 2000 to 8000 rpm remaining over 110 ft/lbs from 2000 to 7100 rpm. > > Save up your pennies and call Jackson Racing. If enough of you guys called > I'm sure they would make up a kit for the MR2. It'll probably cost all of > $3500-4500 bucks since they aren't using an intercooler. > > Steve Hoult '89 SC I think the kit for civics is only 2400.. The kit on the civic bolts directly onto the intake manifold (actually it comes with a custom one) And the throttle body mounts onto the supercharger. Unless they used a different one. They used an Eaton supercharger for the civic motors. They have a website at.. http://www.supercharger.com/ I thought about it, but the placement wouldn't be too good on the MR2. It'd be righ over the exhaust and probably heat up a bit. And the intake would have to come over the exhaust as well.. Unless you could manage to build an intake manifold for the MR2 and wedge it near the back of the motor compartment..... Mike C ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:32:30 +0800 From: sirmike Subject: MR2 NA Here's another supercharger web page. It's got some dimension etc too.. http://www.eaton.com/supercharger/ Mike C ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 02:23:31 -0800 From: "H. Monte Corwin" Subject: 2 MK2 Questions: Question 1: Are the handbrakes on the first generation MK2's "adjustable" or is cable replacement usually necessary? Toyota dealer says, "Not Adjustable." ??? Question 2: Have any of you Canuck Mr2 owners a recommendation, pro or con, relating to use of Rust Check on you 2's? I'm concerned about the drilling required! I've used Rust Check on two previous vehicles. My 85 Camry went run for over 10 years with no hint of rust. :) I don't know about on 2's. I know only of one Rust Check service area in the U.S.--in Cleveland. There are, of course many in Canada. I've never seen the use of this product mentioned in any thread. In 1984, I met the creator of this product in Ontario. It had originally been developed for use on Canadian Forces aircraft to minimize the onset of rust/corrosion on the bonded areas where steel and aluminium combined. I, previously, have had very good results with this treatment, but I'm really fussy about my Mr2T. Any suggestions? H."Monte" Corwin, 91Mr2T, T-Tops All Options(Crimson Red--NOT FADED), Ken's Shift Boot. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 22:00:55 From: gseeley@island.net (Geoff Seeley) Subject: Re: MR2 Subject Headers > Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 17:15:49 +1300 > From: Trevor Johnston > > Just a quick note to remind others out there to PLEASE use "MR2" as the > first words in their subject headers. Recently there has been more than a > dozen posts a day with no subject line reference to MR2. It makes it so > much easier for those of us subscribed to multiple Mailing lists to sort > through our mail. I hope this doesn't sound too picky but it would be > appreciated. Can Majordomo be made to do this Andrew? (Gotta start playing with Major at work and learn it...) Anyway, here are a couple of ways around this Trevor: 1) Subscribe to the digest and set up your mail filters to file on "From:" or "To:". Depending on your mail client, you might be able to emulate #2 as well. 2) If on a Unix system, get Procmail and make a filter that searches the body for "mr2","mki","mkii", etc. This would work for non-digest mode. There are other ways, but it depends on the setup (software/platform/etc) that you are using. Email me if you want further help. Geoff '91t, 225,800km ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:02:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Harry C. Wang" Subject: Re: Turbo Problems Hmmmm....a friend just drove my car the other day and said that the turbo whine in his 91 turbo is much louder than mine, and he's running stock boost. Could a clogged cat reduce the turbo noise? On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, Rosenberg wrote: > Please Help. > > I have a 93T, completely stock. Just had it in for its 30k service. Two > days before bringing it in for this 30k service I noticed that the turbo > was acting strangely. First of all, it seemed that I needed to accelerate > harder for the turbo to kick in and I'm not get the usual kick (boost), > second, the turbo whine is about half as loud as usual(it was). And lastly, > when I remove my foot from the gas pedal the gauge needle seems to float > down as opposed to dropping(like a brick) like it used too. > > Any ideas as to what is wrong. Of course I asked Toyota to look at it while > doing the 30k service and after an extra day, found nothing wrong but, it > is exactly the same as when I brought it in. Now I need to either bring it > back in or do it myself. Where should I start looking? > > Thanks, > Arthur Rosenberg > > 93t, TT, red, stock > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:59:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Harry C. Wang" Subject: Re: MR2 dual gauge pods but if it's $200 divided by 25, that's not much at all. On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, Mark Sink wrote: > Why are they charging us a $200 tooling charge? Do we then own > the rights to the mold? Or do they get to sell them also, thanks > to the kind folks on the list who paid the tooling charge? > > I might be interested, I dont have gauges yet, but I did mention > this awhile back, about the DSM cars having this. > > The only question I have is the $200. > > > Charles Grosjean wrote: > > > > So, some of you may be familiar with the dual-gauge trim panel for the DSM's > > which completely replaces the drivers side A-panel ?? trim and allows a clean > > installation of two gauges (I believe they are currently working on a 3-gauge > > version). Anyways, here's the pricing requirement to make one for the MR2. > > > > >> minimum of 25 units @ $49ea plus $200 one-time tooling charge << > > > > The company is called Lo-Tek Engineering. Are there 24 interested parties > > out there? > > > > Charles > > -- > Mark Sink > ----------- > http://toy4two.home.mindspring.com/ > Modified '87 MR2 & '93 MR2 Turbo > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 05:20:05 -0800 From: Mark Sink Subject: Re: MR2 dual gauge pods Harry C. Wang wrote: > > but if it's $200 divided by 25, that's not much at all. > > On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, Mark Sink wrote: > > > Why are they charging us a $200 tooling charge? Do we then own > > the rights to the mold? Or do they get to sell them also, thanks > > to the kind folks on the list who paid the tooling charge? > > OK, you guys go first, pay the extra 16%, and I'll wait and be #26, and save the $8. Personally, 16% IS a lot, but the point was, why should WE take the burden of the tooling charge if they turn around and start selling to others who DIDN'T have to pay an extra $8?. I think they should eat the $200, otherwise, I'll wait and see if this goes through, then give them a call and pick one up for 16% less. I just don't think it sounds very fair. Later - -- Mark Sink - ----------- http://toy4two.home.mindspring.com/ Modified '87 MR2 & '93 MR2 Turbo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:07:33 -0400 From: bagdon@rust.net (S and K Bagdon) Subject: Re: LeafCharger >hehe you guys are crazy.. Aren't leafblowers loud? Or maybe I'm thinking >about the gas ones. Now*there's* an idea! My largest concerns with the leaf-blower idea is the current draw and CFM flow rates. But, if you used a gas-blower leaf-blower, you could easily vary the leaf blowers CFM output (by tying the throttle cable tot he leaf blower), and there would be *zero* power draw from the electrical system... Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:07:41 -0400 From: bagdon@rust.net (S and K Bagdon) Subject: Re: MR2 NA >I was reading the FEB '98 issue of SCC tonight. While perusing the article >on supercharging I started thinking about all you guys with NA's wanting >more power. It looks like Jackson Racing has solved the problem with >supercharging high output, high compression, large overlap twin cam engines. >They have just finished a Honda del Sol VTEC. > >The Dyno result are pretty impressive. Going from a peak HP of 124 at 7300 >rpm to 155 hp at 8000 rpm. It was still climbing at that point. The increase >seems to be 10%-20% over the whole range. Torque also gets a healthy >increase from 90 ft/lbs at 6000 to 126 ft/lbs at 5500 rpm. It is also fairly >flat from 2000 to 8000 rpm remaining over 110 ft/lbs from 2000 to 7100 rpm. > >Save up your pennies and call Jackson Racing. If enough of you guys called >I'm sure they would make up a kit for the MR2. It'll probably cost all of >$3500-4500 bucks since they aren't using an intercooler. Which is about 4 times what you'll pay for a front-end totaled Mk I SC, or a few $1k more then a front-end totaled Mk II Turbo. Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 08:57:33 EST From: Lsaccone Subject: Re: TURBO : Need timing belt (parts) info I changed the oil pump because it was easier to get to... the engine was out. I didn't want to have to go back in again either! Larry S. 1991 MR2 Turbo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 09:08:56 EST From: FZZR Subject: Re: MR2 NA In a message dated 97-12-21 01:01:05 EST, you write: << FWIW, I wouldn't bother supercharging unless it's intercooled. >> I used to have a powerdyne supercharged Mustang GT. My experience with superchargers is that you really don't need a intercooler if you are going to stay under about 8 or 9 PSI. The Mustang guys hardly ever run a intercooler with there supercharged setups and they seem to work fine. Mine did with a 6PSI kit. Also Jackson racing seems to be the place to call. They make a nice small roots type blower for the hondas that looks like it would fit fairly easy on a N/A. Brackets is the biggest hurdle. ****************************************************** Chuck FZZR@AOL.COM 88 MR2 SC (149,000 miles) 89 Yamaha FZR 1000 (for sale) ******************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 02:21:35 +1000 From: Robin San Subject: MK1: TRD cams, I cant get the dowel pin out Hi guys Im in the middle of putting the cams in but I have hit a hurdle. I cant get the dowel pin out of the factory cams and the TRD ones dont have a pin. Im going to try to get a pair tomorrow, anyone have any ideas how to get the pin out or where I might be able to get another set 2 days before christmas? Thanks Robin 89 MK1 NA MR2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 12:13:15 -0600 From: "Steve Hoult" Subject: Re: MR2 NA > >> I was reading the FEB '98 issue of SCC tonight. While perusing the article >> on supercharging I started thinking about all you guys with NA's wanting >> more power. It looks like Jackson Racing has solved the problem with >> supercharging high output, high compression, large overlap twin cam engines. >> They have just finished a Honda del Sol VTEC. >> >> Steve Hoult '89 SC >I think the kit for civics is only 2400.. You are right, currently they make kits for Hondas and Mazdas. What I forgot to say was that if enough MR2 owners called up to express interest they might be willing to put their expertise into developing a kit for the NA MR2. Of course there are a bazillion underpowered Hondas out there and only a few hundred thousand MR2s. But I think the percentage of MR2 owners that would be willing to shoot 4 or 5 thousand dollars into their car is higher then the percentage of Honda owners. But Jackson Racing and all the other makers won't think they can make money if people don't call to express interest. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 10:05:12 +0800 From: sirmike Subject: Re: MR2 NA Steve Hoult wrote: > > > >> I was reading the FEB '98 issue of SCC tonight. While perusing the > article > >> on supercharging I started thinking about all you guys with NA's wanting > >> more power. It looks like Jackson Racing has solved the problem with > >> supercharging high output, high compression, large overlap twin cam > engines. > >> They have just finished a Honda del Sol VTEC. > > >> > >> Steve Hoult '89 SC > > >I think the kit for civics is only 2400.. > > You are right, currently they make kits for Hondas and Mazdas. What I forgot > to say was that if enough MR2 owners called up to express interest they > might be willing to put their expertise into developing a kit for the NA > MR2. Of course there are a bazillion underpowered Hondas out there and only > a few hundred thousand MR2s. But I think the percentage of MR2 owners that > would be willing to shoot 4 or 5 thousand dollars into their car is higher > then the percentage of Honda owners. But Jackson Racing and all the other > makers won't think they can make money if people don't call to express > interest. > > Steve I can't really seee where they'd put it that I'd be happy with however. It would either Have to go above the A/C compressor and the exhaust, in which case the air going into and out of the supercharger would also go above the exhaust and the supercharger would cover the dipstick.. Or it might wedge between the back of the engine if they made a ecustom intake manifold in which case the added weight would be behind the engine.. I don't really like the options.... Just my 2 cents... MikeC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 12:16:48 -0600 From: "Andrew P. Tasi" Subject: Test for subject heading Testing only, no need to reply to this post. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 13:08:06 -0500 From: Stephen Gunter Subject: Re: MR2 NA At 11:55 PM 12/20/97 -0600, Steve Hoult wrote: >I was reading the FEB '98 issue of SCC tonight. While perusing the article >on supercharging I started thinking about all you guys with NA's wanting >more power. It looks like Jackson Racing has solved the problem with >supercharging high output, high compression, large overlap twin cam engines. >They have just finished a Honda del Sol VTEC. > <<<<>>>> > >Save up your pennies and call Jackson Racing. If enough of you guys called >I'm sure they would make up a kit for the MR2. It'll probably cost all of >$3500-4500 bucks since they aren't using an intercooler. > >Steve Hoult '89 SC > Although it's a good idea Steve, I doubt that Jackson Racing will make one for the MR2. They have a rich history of Honda tuning, and I don't see them doing anything for Toyota's... Then again I could be wrong, and if enough people e-mail them it may become a reality... Stephen Gunter,1990 Levin, icq 285675 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7177 home of the Toyota Mods WebRing ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V2 #9