mr2-digest Thursday, December 18 1997 Volume 02 : Number 001 Testing interest 12/17/97 2:29pm CST ANNOUNCE Testing announce 12/17/97 1:56pm CST ANNOUNCE The New MR2 Digest Is Ready to Roll! [Fwd: MR2 SC =N/A = 5SFE] [Fwd: 5SFE] Re: MR2 1997 Year Of Hell was Twincharged Vs. Elk Mk1 SC Alternator...and stalling... MR2 and blue bottle gas Re: MR2 Group Purchase Idea ! RE: MR2 Re: Help from Bilingual folks on the list? Re: MR2 G-tech results, 91T stock engine Test validgh.com Re: MR2 G-tech results, 91T stock engine MR-2 Front end Re: Legality Of Custom Headers in California RE: 5SFE Upgrades Aeroware stuff digest suport $$$ question Leather shifter boot info, mail theft! please read! Re: Aeroware stuff MKII Frozen Bake Calipers 4AG Turbo Manifold ANNOUNCE MR2 Getting engine and tranaxle apart!!!! Re: MR2 Wanna-Be ANNOUNCE mr2 lists handoff completed huh? Re: mr2-digest V1 #1998 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:33:07 -0600 From: atasi@prometric.com Subject: Testing interest 12/17/97 2:29pm CST Testing interest 12/17/97 2:29pm CST ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:31:11 -0600 From: atasi@prometric.com Subject: ANNOUNCE Testing announce 12/17/97 1:56pm CST Testing announce 12/17/97 1:56pm CST Please respond to Majordomo@slapshot.hockey.net To: Andrew P. Tasi/Sylvan Learning Systems/US cc: Subject: Majordomo results: mailing list request - -- >>>> who mr2-announce Members of list 'mr2-announce': stud@goalie.hockey.net atasi@prometric.com zion@hockey.net driver@validgh.com loren@salsgiver.com bagdon@rust.net 7 subscribers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:37:36 -0600 From: atasi@prometric.com Subject: ANNOUNCE The New MR2 Digest Is Ready to Roll! Mark, David, Steve, and Loren, Thank you all for your work in getting the MR2 mail list up and running on Hockey.net. After a lot of testing and some tweaking, it looks like everythig is working as it should. I appreciate everybody's time, patience, and effort in making this happen. These are the changes that end-users will see: - -All forms of the list- interest, digest, and announce now indicate the "MR2.com" domain name. - -The digest volume number has been changed to "2". - -The info file on the new digest has been updated. David- I'm ready whenever you are. Call me when you want to make the switch-over, and E-mail me all subscriber names. Happy Holidays to all of you, and take care. Regards, Andrew P. Tasi Black '88 MR2 T-top ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:20:17 -0800 From: Mike Chou Subject: [Fwd: MR2 SC =N/A = 5SFE] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------3C330F863EBB321AD45068FF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------3C330F863EBB321AD45068FF Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <349975B1.CE6314CF@ns.net> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:12:49 -0800 From: Mike Chou X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mr2-digest@validgh.com' Subject: Re: MR2 SC =N/A = 5SFE References: <1997Dec18.090158.1492.1537372@mailgw.mofo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Smith, Patrick E. wrote: > > HI Digest > > Interesting talk on the digest. I'm working on my SC kit, but money ( like > always ) is slowing the project alot. BUT, what you were saying about > "detuning" the 5S-FE and toyota did something to it. I would like to think > so but i'm not to sure. The cams and headers might be a big thing with this > engine. I figure with my exhaust , intake, bore out the throttle body, > headers and adjustable cams, the engine would run very good. The only thing > is the headers, unless TRD comes out with some smog legal setup, i think > were screwed. Custom headers can run past $1k and are not smog legal. > An SC kit would be the only way to go. Paxton would be a great setup and > the only thing i can see that i would need to do ( thanks for the tips > Jeffrey ) when i install the SC kit, is, upgrade the stock clutch to TRD, > and Intercool it. The intercooler would be a big plus when heating up the > engine bay that much. Other than that i see no reason it would not work, and > work real well. From what the paxton guys tell me i should get about 60-90 > HP ! Making a bracket for the SC would be a job, but a do-able one. And i > would also need to have a custom made pulley for it as well. I think the > stock 5S-FE can handle an SC with no internal mods needed ( thank god Toyota > makes good engines, even the low end stuff is built very well ) and would > have a long life to boot. So what do ya think? One day , i hope very soon, > i figure i need to do the other stuff first then get the SC kit. Maybe with > the SC i might not even need to get headers?? Wait and see.... Just my > thoughts.... I'm no"pro" , but i'm working on it : ) > > Patrick > > How come custom headers can't be smog legal? Do they check under the hood? (I forgot I haven't been in CA for awhile) MikeC - --------------3C330F863EBB321AD45068FF-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:19:31 -0800 From: Mike Chou Subject: [Fwd: 5SFE] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------5887FA29D067AF93FCA77AFC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------5887FA29D067AF93FCA77AFC Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <349974E9.1C87DC0F@ns.net> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:09:29 -0800 From: Mike Chou X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MR2 Digest Subject: 5SFE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah I'm happy that people are talking about mod'ing the 5SFE finally too. Though unless it's relatively cheap, I think I'd still rather get a turbo transplanted. Is the turbo really less torquey at low RPMs? I saw a graph and the torque curve looked pretty meaty to me (On Hiroki Satoh's page) anyway has Anyone tried the cams from Mr2PP yet? Maybe I will try it if I can't find a turbo donor in a month or so.. Also I got info about a turbo kit for 3100 inistalled.. here it is... The basic Turbo Kit is from about 7 to 10lbs of boost at 1800rpms with it's "No Lag" design! It creates an impressive 40 to 240hp at the wheels depending on which stage you purchase! It also includes a cool fuel system upgrade with the kit! The first design cost about 3 Month of down time and a whooping $7,000 (That was on my 91 2.2L) Now that the design is complete, down time is 3wk and cost $3,100 installed! Once it is properly installed it is designed to be removed in under 30min. Learn more- Altered Performance Racing in Tampa, FL (813) 883-3194 PEACE- That's from the guy who posted in the guestbook.. Mike Chou - --------------5887FA29D067AF93FCA77AFC-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:48:21 -0600 From: atasi@prometric.com Subject: Re: MR2 1997 Year Of Hell was Twincharged Vs. Elk I hear you Steve. ;-) Matt- No disrespect here, but if you want, I think there are enough vultures out here that somebody might take that MR2 off your hands. Yet another Mk-I owner tempted by the idea of a Twincharger, Andrew P. Tasi Please respond to bagdon@rust.net To: jhosee@linkline.com, mr2-digest@validgh.com cc: (bcc: Andrew P. Tasi/Sylvan Learning Systems/US) Subject: Re: MR2 1997 Year Of Hell was Twincharged Vs. Elk Karen or Jeffrey wrote: > > At 01:12 AM 12/18/97 -0700, Matt Ledbetter wrote: > >Well, my tced was beaten up today by a couple of 1200lb elk. > > > >Needless to say, the car is off the market for a while. Maybe for good. > > Gosh darn it. 1997 sucks in a major big way. And it won't go > quietly either!! Maybe there is something to worry about > with the approaching Millenium? :P > > Glad to hear your okay Matt. Just be glad there wasn't an airbag > to punch you in the face. :P My absolute belief in the over-all safety of the MR2 (ok, you can die in a Hummer in the wrong accident) made me thank that Matt is ok, but then it made me thank that the engine was in the back... :-) Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:27:28 +1300 From: Danny Blair Subject: Mk1 SC Alternator...and stalling... Gidday About two weeks ago I had a few lights on the dashboard come on but after turning the car on and off a couple of times it seemed to reset itself. I hadn't seen any of those lights on my dash again (cat, supercharger, charge, cooling fan(?) - so I didn't worry about it! I wondered if maybe it was just a one off thing and didn't stress too much about it. But then it happened again Wednesday night - this time, I also noticed that the Voltmeter went high - this scared me! Turned it on and off a few times and check plugs and things but everything seemed fine and then it went away. So yesterday I went to Marshall Batteries and Auto electrics to check it out. Nothing seemed out of the ordinary but because I'm planning on driving up to the north island just after christmas I don't want to get caught out. He suggested the voltage regulator (which I sort of guessed too) - and suggested I book it in on Monday. He also said it could be a couple of hundred bucks or more... He wants to pull of the alternator and test it properly. Can you test the voltage regulator?? Because its only happened twice I'm worried I'm just gonna start throwing parts at it with no effect... One other thing I noticed was that there is a very corroded contact in the plug which goes into the computer. The guy from Marshall's said that shouldn't have anything to do with the charging circuit. I think I'll bridge that contact anyway. Is it common for voltage regulators to go? Are they really that expensive? Would it be worth going for a second hand alternator? (I'm planning on hanging onto the car for a while so don't want the fault to come back!) I've also got a bad stalling problem at the moment. When the car is hot (or even normal operating temperature). It just won't comfortably idle - - the revs just drop right off and the engine dies. I'm wondering about the O2 sensor or maybe the Throttle Position Sensor - has anyone else seen this before? Sorry for all the questions, I just want to get this sorted out soon!! I don't want to end up stranded somewhere!! Thanks, Danny Blair '87 Supercharger / ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:36:37 -0500 From: Phil Cutajar Subject: MR2 and blue bottle gas Greetings folks, I've seen several comments on the list lately about adding that infamous laughing gas in the blue bottle for extra horsepower. I've wondered about this myself several times in the past and always believed that it gives the best bang (figuratively) for the buck. However, what I discovered is much of the cost of opting for such a system is not in the actual hardware and installation, but in refills for the bottle. Assuming the system is insalled properly, and the right safety measures are used, it appears that Nitrous Oxide can give a very healthy boost, and it can be done very effectively to assist turbos with low-end torque too. But if most of you are like me, once you use the bottle up you'll definately want more and more of the gas. At around $25-30 per refill, that adds up real quick. I had a friend with NOS on his car and he would ordinarilly refill once or twice a week. Let's be conservative and assume 3 times a month... ((x*3)*12), that's $900 - $1080 per year. Also, most people seem unaware that on a stock system the NOS setup is limited to about 30-40 HP. If you want more than that you still need several other mods, such as exhaust, intake and fuel system mods (depending on size of jets). So, to summarize, NOS may have a small up-front cost, but in the end it will drain your wallet of more greenbacks then other approaches... such as turbo and supercharging. Just my $0.02. - -- Phil Cutajar '93 MR2-Turbo, Super White, 74k miles K&N FIPK, MR2-PP MBC mailto:Solo2_MR2@ibm.net my web page:http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/6213/index.htm ICQ #6032611 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:16:13 EST From: MR2Turbo91 Subject: Re: MR2 Group Purchase Idea ! In a message dated 97-12-17 19:35:48 EST, you write: << I remember seeing a few days ago on the list that at the current exchange rate a 98 MR2 Turbo would sell for $23,000USD--MSRP. Its nearly impossible to import and license one for street use-- >> keyword there is NEARLY...... I'm just waiting for saturday when my 5 numbers + the powerball number come up...... then Gena and I will take a little trip to Japan to pick up our his (250hp Turbo) and her (200hp N/A) MR2s as our wedding gifts...... Austin T pulling his head out of the clouds.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:38:58 -0800 From: Tom Mounsey Subject: RE: MR2 Re: Help from Bilingual folks on the list? Hi everyone. From what I can tell about this app, it's quite a bit better at translating from English into the other languages (but not German) than it is at translating into English. -Tom Mounsey (tom@webridge.com) '91 MR2 NA > On Wed, 17 Dec 1997 dave@hypergrafx.com wrote: > > > Of course, I can't tell if it translated it properly... Could > anyone that > > understands both English and one of the above languages kind of > check it > > out for me and tell me if it was remotely accurate? > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:39:52 EST From: Lsaccone Subject: Re: MR2 G-tech results, 91T stock engine I have weighed my car with me in it at the track... I weigh 165lbs and it was 3120. Try again. Larry S 1991 MR2 Turbo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:59:50 -0600 From: atasi@Prometric.com Subject: Test validgh.com Is there anybody out there? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:56:23 -0500 From: "David Aucott" Subject: Re: MR2 G-tech results, 91T stock engine >radio, NO PS, I set the weight to 2850lbs, sound right? Anyway >after quite a few runs I've got my time to 6.81sec for 0-60, and >~158hp. I'm not sure when I hit max HP? 1st? 2nd? BTW the >car has 120K on it now. What results have others got? Avery- Stock 1993 MR2T, 0-60 in 5.91. That is my best. - -- Dave Aucott daucott@ford.com http://members.aol.com/daucott '86 MR2, '93T MR2, '87 Civic Si, '95 Probe GT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:32:08 -0600 From: "John Welch" Subject: MR-2 Front end Todd this sounds like a rear end problem.... Have the rear wheel toe checked.... If one side is off it can cause the symptoms you describe.... John Welch '86 4-Runner '87 MR-2 Turbo >From: Todd Clark >Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:37:39 -0800 >Subject: MR2 MKI front end > >Now that I've had my 88 SC for a little over a week now, I'm starting to >notice some things that don't quite seem right. The most concerning is that >when braking, the front end dives down and to the right, then under heavy >acceleration, it moves up and to the left. Is this just worn shocks, or do >I have other front end problems? > >Thanks, > >Todd Clark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:38:31 -0800 From: Jeffrey Ho See Subject: Re: Legality Of Custom Headers in California At 11:20 AM 12/18/97 -0800, Mike Chou wrote: >How come custom headers can't be smog legal? Do they check under the >hood? (I forgot I haven't been in CA for awhile) California deems EVERYTHING illegal to change unless they (CARB) say it's okay. Kinda like the autoX rules (if you're in doubt about legality in CS, it's illegal) That doesn't mean you can't get your custom header legalized... that is if you can drive your car to the CARB center put it on the dyno and let them tinker on it. They only charge you for the cost of testing... several thousand I believe. - - Jeffrey - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jeffrey Ho See / 1997 really sucks! No Rice in SF til 1998 / 92 MR2 Turbo mailto:jhosee@artemis.davd.com Desktop : http://www.mirabilis.com/761260/ Finally got framed @ http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/7153 CallSign : ApeX Squad : Team Brazil http://subspace.vie.com/ - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:13:19 -0500 From: Chris Conlon Subject: RE: 5SFE Upgrades Hi, I'd like to suggest a possible mod for the more DIY 5S-FE owners. A few days ago Jeffrey suggested that the head & cams are a big part of why the 5S-FE is weak... I'm still just learning about head porting & performance, but it seems that there's a *lot* to be gained, especially on some of your lower-performance NA engines. Has anyone tried this on their 5S-FE? If you're a qualified DIY'er, go to http://www.sa-motorsports.com/diyport.htm to read about very basic DIY head porting. (Before the gurus flame me, let me say that it is *very* basic, just removing obvious manufacturing bumps/ flashes, etc. You don't touch the valve seats at all, and they suggest you get a good 3-angle valve job when you're done.) Basically they're showing you how to remove the bumps & roughness that are part of any mass-produced manifold. I suggest this as an alternative to cams solely because it could be much *cheaper*. Maybe the stock cams stink, maybe they're great, I have no idea. But for some people, this may be a good way to wring out a few extra HP for a couple hundred bucks. > I would only turbo my engine as a last resort. I am of the Matt Gawlowski > school of thought on the 5SFE: The engine was purposely detuned to make sure > there was a significant difference between the turbo and the n/a. Todays 4 cylinder > engines produce more hp per liter than the 5SFE. I have no way of knowing how purposeful any detuning was, maybe Toyota just didn't spend much time *tuning* the cams/head/intake? It may also be that ECU changes account for part of this; the more I get into my own project, the more easily I can believe that. In any case it seems like the engine should be capable of a lot more HP than it's rating. (Insert standard disclaimer about it being cheaper/easier to just sell your NA MKII and buy a MacLaren F1 instead. ;) Chris C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:33:53 -0800 From: Brian Jackson Subject: Aeroware stuff Folks, I had an interesting conversation with Stacey at CyberAuto this morning. I called to enquire about the Aeroware side vents. She informed me that Aeroware went out of business "about 6 months ago" and that their remaining stock, as well as the moulds for the Aeroware products, were bought by Han Motoring. Also, Cyberauto does not deal Aeroware parts any more - they now deal the Erebuni kits. The interesting thing is the question of what relationship the new Kaminari kit has to all of this since (as per the discussion here about a week ago) the new Kaminari kit looks a *lot* like the Aeroware kit. See: http://www.kaminari.com/new9.htm Anyway, I hadn't seen this discussed here before. Just thought y'all might like to know. Sorry if it's old ground. Now, the question that I wanted answered in the first place: To all of you who have installed the Aeroware kits, is it possible to use *just* the side vents without the skirts? I mean, I know that it's *possible* but will/would the vent pieces work esthetically by themselves or do they really need to go together with the skirts? I'd like to use just the vents without the skirts. Thanks in advance. Brian PS. Geoff - this change ought to be reflected in the MR2 page that covers Aerokits. - -- - ------------------------------- Brian Jackson uva uvam vivendo varia fit ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:25:41 -0800 From: Ken Farrell Subject: digest suport $$$ question I was wondering if there was still a need for $$$ for suport of the list. This was a subject a while ago, but I never heard a close, or where and suport could go. I have sold quite a few shifter boots to list members, and while there's not a lot of profit, and I am mostly doing them to give back somthing to the members, I would like to donate something, and would encourage others who have sold spare parts and such through the list to help out too. This is not ment to encourage spam, but I think that we can all tell the difference between a group buy post for boost controllers :-), and a generic add for Air filters :-( Ken 91T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:33:58 -0800 From: Ken Farrell Subject: Leather shifter boot info, mail theft! please read! I and my neighbors had our mail stolen on Wends. I know that several members were sending checks to me, but I have know way to tell what was in the mail on Wends. I don't expect that the checks can be cashed, as we suspect neighborhood kids and I am planning a stakeout tomorrow, as we got hit today too, ( we had already gotten the mail) I will Email a note to anyone who I receive a check from. So if you sent a check out about a week ago, and don't see your name here or get an email in the next few days, contact me. I have recently sent boots to Jason Kho, Gustavo Pavon, and Bryan Carlson, So you shouldn't worry. If you want to order a boot, please use my PO box, as that is safe. Ken Farrell PO Box 59654 Renton Wa 98058 Because someone asked for it a while back, and I forgot to note his address, here is the general info again, sorry for the bandwidth: Black leather shift boots top stitched, like the original. now in soft sexy black leather Lamb skin, Mk1 boot is $25 I top stitch these even though the stock boot isn't The 91-92 boot is $25 The 93+ boot is $30 (harder to make) shipping is included to the USA, I can do custom thread color and leather color, my costs are higher, so Email me with your requests be sure to include your car year and your Email address in case I need to get ahold of you. please Email me if you want one Thanks! and Happy Holidays! Ken 91T stillalittleshaky,checkingcasterandtheconditionofmyMr2'sballs ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:52:13 -0800 From: Jeffrey Ho See Subject: Re: Aeroware stuff At 03:33 PM 12/18/97 -0800, Brian Jackson wrote: >I called to enquire about the Aeroware side vents. She informed me that >Aeroware went out of business "about 6 months ago" and that their >remaining stock, as well as the moulds for the Aeroware products, were >bought by Han Motoring. Also, Cyberauto does not deal Aeroware parts any >more - they now deal the Erebuni kits. Strange... I was told by Saint Andre's they had purchased the Aeroware kit molds. And I picked MY aeroware kit up from St. Andre's in person! I've heard that Han has a reputation for illegally copying aero molds so I wouldn't be surprised if they're fibbing. >The interesting thing is the question of what relationship the new >Kaminari kit has to all of this since (as per the discussion here about >a week ago) the new Kaminari kit looks a *lot* like the Aeroware kit. Yeah it's an obvious embellished copy. >Now, the question that I wanted answered in the first place: To all of >you who have installed the Aeroware kits, is it possible to use *just* >the side vents without the skirts? I mean, I know that it's *possible* >but will/would the vent pieces work esthetically by themselves or do >they really need to go together with the skirts? I'd like to use just >the vents without the skirts. Yeah look @ Rich Nedbal's car if you're curious. - - Jeffrey - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jeffrey Ho See / 1997 really sucks! No Rice in SF til 1998 / 92 MR2 Turbo mailto:jhosee@artemis.davd.com Desktop : http://www.mirabilis.com/761260/ SW20 Parts List and Shop Reviews : http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/7153 CallSign : ApeX Squad : Team Brazil http://subspace.vie.com/ - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 20:49:52 EST From: Nick7600 Subject: MKII Frozen Bake Calipers one of the pistons on my front right caliper froze. my friend and i worked all the dust and rust off and got the piston moving again. has anyone done anything like this to their brakes. if so, will the piston just freeze up again? Nick red93T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:06:33 EST From: Daucott Subject: 4AG Turbo Manifold I have located a source of 4AG Turbo Manifolds (HKS, I believe) if anyone is interested. I don't have a price yet, but if there is interest I could find out about it. Dave A. daucott@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 97 02:52:20 UT From: "Joedy Clarin" Subject: ANNOUNCE MR2 Getting engine and tranaxle apart!!!! How do I get the engine apart from the tranaxle. I'm in the middle of installing a different engine. I've got everythig unhooked but the engine and the tranaxle won't seperate. I raised, lowered, pryed. Its seperated about a half inch on the top but the bottems still tight. Please if you have any ideas let me know. It's costing me 30 bucks a day for the jack. Joedy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:18:53 EST From: Ltraviolnc Subject: Re: MR2 Wanna-Be In a message dated 97-12-18 08:55:14 EST, pinsjb@wing.safb.af.mil writes: > web site of 24 year old college > student 23 even. Probably just a spoiled rich kid who's mommy buys him anything he wants. I like his guestbook entries...alot of them contain the question "what kind of job do you have to afford all this stuff?" Job?...whats a job? Oh, is that the place that daddy goes during the day when mommy is getting facials and entertaining the poolboy? >who claims he has( or had, for convenience) an Acura NSX, the pic with that one shows him wearing what looks like my mother's bedroom slippers. SHE WANTS THEM BACK! then > he sold that and got a BMW convertible, which he drove for 6 months and > sold. Then he had another NSX, forest green this time, which was stolen. > Then he got another convertable BMW which he then traded in on a...get > this...Dodge Viper GTS. ok Hmm, no pics of him with that one....interesting. Not even a pic of the car he supposedly owns, just a press shot taken from somewhere else. . Oh yeah he also had a Lotus Espirit S4 for like > a week but neglects to say what happened to that. Actually, he claims he owned it for 2 days....ok....uhh, I don't know about other states, but around here, you can't sell a car until you have a title, and that takes alot longer than 2 days. (usually around 3 to 4 weeks). Borrowed? rented? stolen?? wet dream??? I guess he is still > driving around a 450HP V10 Viper on campus since he doesn't mention > any cars after that. He also says he has a Ducati 916 Sport Motorcycle > ($16,000 price tag). Again, no pics....why not? He raves about Ducs being the closest thing to an orgasm on wheels, but not a single picture...not even a pirated one like the Viper. For a good laugh, check out his "biography", and you can find out the name brands of the clothes he wears, and his haircare products. What a douche. BTW, his sister's name is "Poppy"...DUH!!! I thought Buffy was bad. Maybe she was named after the opiates her father imported to make so much money. I better stop now, cause I'm starting to really enjoy trashing this dweeb ;-))) Ron 87/\/\R2 Ltraviolnc@aol.com ICQ'98: 3087083 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:47:31 -0800 From: driver@validgh.com (David G Hough on the road) Subject: ANNOUNCE mr2 lists handoff completed The mr2 mailing lists have been moved to slapshot.hockey.net, and administrative duties transferred to atasi@prometric.com. I am sure that anybody contemplating criticizing anything about the list in the future will first volunteer to help out. The "official" mailing address for all the lists is now ...@mr2.com, but ...@slapshot.hockey.net should also work, and ...@validgh.com will forward to mr2.com indefinitely. But any time you see a reference on the net to mr2-...@validgh.com, please write to the mailer, poster, or webmaster, and ask that it be changed to mr2.com. The 1990-1997 archives on validgh.com will continue to be available at http://www.oak.san-jose.ca.us/mr2-interest but www.mr2.com is a better place to get them. I would like once again to thank everybody that tried to follow directions, and everybody that tried to be patient, helpful, and courteous. Have fun! Safely! David Hough ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:57:30 -0500 From: "Armando J. Perez, Jr." Subject: huh? I just got a message from majordomo@slapshot.hockey.net saying "welcome to mr2 digest" what the hell....I've been on the list well over a month....please explain....anyone....anyone??????? Armando ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 97 23:28:55 -0000 From: "Kevin D. McLeaster" Subject: Re: mr2-digest V1 #1998 Chuck writes: > I have seen various pictures on the net of people autocrossing with >there t- >tops on there car. Yet when I go down to my local SCCA autox they say I must >remove my t-tops per the SCCA rule book. What gives. Anybody else had this >experience. Sounds like bullshit to me. Did you ask to see the rulebook? I had someone tell me two years ago that M85 helmets were no longer allowed for autox. Perhaps this individual has the same book? :) Good Luck, Kevin D. McLeaster WB9HMI '91 Turbo ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V2 #1