mr2-digest Tuesday, 5 December 1995 Volume 01 : Number 051 Possible purchase. leather interior Magnecore wires Re: mr2-digest V1 #50 Re: mr2-digest V1 #50 Re: mr2-digest V1 #50 Brake light To: uunet!uunet!validgh.com!mr2-interest MKII NA Options '86 MR2 Engine Check Light/Stumble HighMilage 1991 MR2 Turbo Re: BFG T/A R-1 (was: tires) Travel Time.... the 'cat' that's not toe-heeling ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Josh Daynard Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 04:05:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: Possible purchase. Hello Mr2 owners, I am currently contemplating the purchase of a '92 MR2 Turbo with 53,000 mi. on it. I'm wondering what people think a reasonable price would be for this car. It has cloth interior, t-tops, cassette, ABS, and some kind of extended warranty from Toyota to 75k mi. I had the car checked out by my mechanic who did a cylinder diff. test on it and came up with basically 75/80 for all four cylinders, numbers which he said were very good. He did notice some oil in the intake tract, though, so he pulled the inductive hose off the turbo and felt for play in the ct-26 shaft. He said there was some play, and that the turbo would probably need to be rebuilt in not too long a time. The only other things of note about the car is that the rotors seemed slightly warped (pulsation when braking and some vibration while cruising), and it only has one small almost unnoticeable ding in the driver's door. The color is a metallic green BTW. Also, I'm having a hard time understanding why Toyota put such small wheels on this car, is there a reason? Also, if I purchase this '92, how much $$$ does it take to update the suspension to '93+ specs? Forgive me if this info is in an archive somewhere, I found a reference to it being possible, but nothing about the cost. The car is owned by a woman (doesn't really mean anything, women can be just as aggressive drivers as men, especially w/this car) and she was originally asking $13,300. I got her down to $12,000 but I'm wondering if I should offer less because of the mileage/turbo/brakes or do you think that this is a good deal for this car. TIA, Josh Daynard ------------------------------ From: Stuart Smith Date: Tue, 5 Dec 95 10:52:56 GMT Subject: leather interior I might be too late here but... I've just spotted an advert in an ad paper over here... "Black Leather interior for MR2 GT, door cards, seats, steering wheel, 150 pounds" call 0956 565624 after 6.30 pm This is BLOODY CHEAP if you ask me. Anyway, I though someone on the list (maybe with cloth, wanting an upgrade?) might be interested... I have no idea if it's sold or not. I tried ringing, but it's not after 6.30. There are also companies breaking a 94 MR2 and a 91 MR2 and a 88 MR2.... email me if you want numbers.. Goes without saying, I have no connection with these.. just though it would be useful info.. Stu ------------------------------ From: "Marc L. Summers-SysAdmin" Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 4:23:34 PST Subject: Magnecore wires I read through the resistance reading VS the stock wires, and they are very high compared to Jacobs energy core wires. The highest Jacobs wire I have is less than 1K ohm, and of course the others are somewhat less than that, and I have no problem with radio noise or any hint of an ECU problem. Seems to me that these Magnecore are not all that good. You would do much better, and much less expensive to get the Jacobs energy core wires. $50.00 - -- + ------------------------------------------------- + + +++ N E C +++ +++ A M E R I C A +++ + + ------------------------------------------------- + + Marc L. Summers System Administrator + + 3100 N.E. Shute Road Hillsboro Oregon 97124 + + PH: 1-503-681-3338 FAX: 1-503-681-3304 + + Email: marcs@tdd.hbo.nec.com + + ---------- Sic transit gloria mundi. ------------ + + --- "Thus passes away the glory of the world." -- + + ------------------------------------------------- + ------------------------------ From: "Kostas G. D. Chryssos " Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 21:47:33 +0200 Subject: Re: mr2-digest V1 #50 > >mr2-digest Tuesday, 5 December 1995 Volume 01 : Number 050 > > >>...I too recently changed my transaxle oil and could only get 3.5 qts to fit >>at overflow. I suspect that oil trapped in the bottom did not drain >>completely... > >Glad to know I'm not the only one. This is a complete mystery to me - how can >4 qts come out and only 3.5-3.6 qts go back? I put car up on blocks so that What you experience here is an OIL WELL !!!! I wish I had such a machine to put 3.6 in and get 4.0 out!!!!! But such things just do not take place...It may be that you are getting hot oil out and putting cold oil in...... > >Anyhow, since moving here, I've had some problems with the engine control. >When it's cold out (~40F or so) it is worse, but the problem seems to always >be present to some extent. Also, oxygenated fuel seems to make things a >little worse. > >Any ideas what could be causing this? Perhaps I should ask Toyota to replace >the volume air flow sensor? > It seems that at high levels where the oxygen in the air is less, your engine gets rich fuel and compensates for this, but does not return to normal when you are at a lower level with standard oxygen content....this is a problem with volume air sensors but at closed loop operation the computer should respond. Check the operation of the OX sensor by running an emmissions test the lambda should be .99 or zero and should vary back and forth at low rpm...if not there is your problem. Let us know of the results....... ___________ ________________ ________ __ ___/__ | / /__< /___ __ )___ __/ _____ \ __ | / / __ / __ __ |__ / ____/ / __ |/ / _ / _ /_/ / _ / /____/ _____/ /_/ /_____/ /_/ (Kostas G. D. Chryssos Ph.D.) 30,Ikarias str. Glyfada GR16675, Athens, Hellas Tel: xx-301 9628212, Fax: xx-301 9628539 ------------------------------ From: "Kostas G. D. Chryssos " Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 21:47:33 +0200 Subject: Re: mr2-digest V1 #50 > >mr2-digest Tuesday, 5 December 1995 Volume 01 : Number 050 > > >>...I too recently changed my transaxle oil and could only get 3.5 qts to fit >>at overflow. I suspect that oil trapped in the bottom did not drain >>completely... > >Glad to know I'm not the only one. This is a complete mystery to me - how can >4 qts come out and only 3.5-3.6 qts go back? I put car up on blocks so that What you experience here is an OIL WELL !!!! I wish I had such a machine to put 3.6 in and get 4.0 out!!!!! But such things just do not take place...It may be that you are getting hot oil out and putting cold oil in...... > >Anyhow, since moving here, I've had some problems with the engine control. >When it's cold out (~40F or so) it is worse, but the problem seems to always >be present to some extent. Also, oxygenated fuel seems to make things a >little worse. > >Any ideas what could be causing this? Perhaps I should ask Toyota to replace >the volume air flow sensor? > It seems that at high levels where the oxygen in the air is less, your engine gets rich fuel and compensates for this, but does not return to normal when you are at a lower level with standard oxygen content....this is a problem with volume air sensors but at closed loop operation the computer should respond. Check the operation of the OX sensor by running an emmissions test the lambda should be .99 or zero and should vary back and forth at low rpm...if not there is your problem. Let us know of the results....... ___________ ________________ ________ __ ___/__ | / /__< /___ __ )___ __/ _____ \ __ | / / __ / __ __ |__ / ____/ / __ |/ / _ / _ /_/ / _ / /____/ _____/ /_/ /_____/ /_/ (Kostas G. D. Chryssos Ph.D.) 30,Ikarias str. Glyfada GR16675, Athens, Hellas Tel: xx-301 9628212, Fax: xx-301 9628539 ------------------------------ From: "Kostas G. D. Chryssos " Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 21:47:33 +0200 Subject: Re: mr2-digest V1 #50 > >mr2-digest Tuesday, 5 December 1995 Volume 01 : Number 050 > > >>...I too recently changed my transaxle oil and could only get 3.5 qts to fit >>at overflow. I suspect that oil trapped in the bottom did not drain >>completely... > >Glad to know I'm not the only one. This is a complete mystery to me - how can >4 qts come out and only 3.5-3.6 qts go back? I put car up on blocks so that What you experience here is an OIL WELL !!!! I wish I had such a machine to put 3.6 in and get 4.0 out!!!!! But such things just do not take place...It may be that you are getting hot oil out and putting cold oil in...... > >Anyhow, since moving here, I've had some problems with the engine control. >When it's cold out (~40F or so) it is worse, but the problem seems to always >be present to some extent. Also, oxygenated fuel seems to make things a >little worse. > >Any ideas what could be causing this? Perhaps I should ask Toyota to replace >the volume air flow sensor? > It seems that at high levels where the oxygen in the air is less, your engine gets rich fuel and compensates for this, but does not return to normal when you are at a lower level with standard oxygen content....this is a problem with volume air sensors but at closed loop operation the computer should respond. Check the operation of the OX sensor by running an emmissions test the lambda should be .99 or zero and should vary back and forth at low rpm...if not there is your problem. Let us know of the results....... ___________ ________________ ________ __ ___/__ | / /__< /___ __ )___ __/ _____ \ __ | / / __ / __ __ |__ / ____/ / __ |/ / _ / _ /_/ / _ / /____/ _____/ /_/ /_____/ /_/ (Kostas G. D. Chryssos Ph.D.) 30,Ikarias str. Glyfada GR16675, Athens, Hellas Tel: xx-301 9628212, Fax: xx-301 9628539 ------------------------------ From: uunet!aol.com!CybrRacn54 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 10:46:47 -0500 Subject: Brake light In a message dated 95-12-05 06:32:36 EST, you write: >I've got a '92 NA with ABS and have a question. Under hard braking, >boarderline >lockup, the BRAKE light in the dash lights up. Is this normal or is the >system >telling me that there is a problem? > > Your fluid could be low or at least almost low, since it only happens under extreme braking. Gerald San Agustin 88 Twincharger Cyber Racing, So Cal. ------------------------------ From: uunet!compuserve.com!71043.1023 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 95 09:49:49 PST Subject: To: uunet!uunet!validgh.com!mr2-interest In the constant quest for MR2 stuff (I can't spell paraphernalia), has any one come across an MR2 coffee cup (I collect coffee cups)? gth - ------------------------------------------------- George T. Hilliker 93T,T-Tops,12K,Very Red E-Mail: 71043.1023@compuserve.com HomePage: www.goshen.net/DataCommGroupInc -Working for H+M- 12/05/95 09:49:49 - ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: uunet!aol.com!CybrRacn54 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 10:46:50 -0500 Subject: MKII NA Options In a message dated 95-12-05 06:32:36 EST, you write: >I am getting ready to buy a '91 NA, and was wondering if fog lights were >standard on all MR2's? This is the first one I've seen that DOESN'T >have any and I'm thinking that this car may have been wrecked and the >front end replaced. Also, do all MR2's have power windows/locks? > > Fog lights were only standard on the turbo models. Power accessories are options on both turbo an NA. Gerald San Agustin 88 Twincharger Cyber Racing, So Cal. ------------------------------ From: uunet!dg-rtp.dg.com!miller (Mark T. Miller) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 10:28:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: '86 MR2 Engine Check Light/Stumble I had a bit of a disconcerting problem occur yesterday with that "new" '86 MR2 I picked up a few weeks ago: On two occasions yesterday, the Check Engine light came on, and the engine had a stubley/surgy feeling to it. It only occurred for a few seconds both times. This AM I decided to try to drive it into work, and again once, for a couple seconds the same scenario repeated. In ecah case I was only going about 45 miles an hour, with nothing else noteworthy happening. The feeling of the engine was "like" it was just running some water, or crud through the engine. Could that be likely? Anyone know off-hand how to check the ECU - I know it has something to do with a paper-clip :) Up until know, the engine has been a _very_ solid performer! But now I am obviously somewhat concerned. The engine has 57K miles. Thanks for any help! Mark. - -- Mark T. Miller miller@dg-rtp.dg.com ...uunet!xyzzy!miller ------------------------------ From: Tom Harrington Automation Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 08:27:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: HighMilage 1991 MR2 Turbo I have a 1991 MR2 Turbo with 92K miles. It despartly needs a clutch. I also feel that the second gear syncros are dying. But also when I'm in 1st gear and run the car into redline and leave it there for 3-5seconds, the car does not want to come out of 1st gear. It take considerable force to pull the shifter back and then only with a cluck. I realize running on the rev-limiter is not a "good" think, but ohh well... My question is... what can I expect to need to repair in order to keep this car going to 150K Miles, (the life of the loan). When do struts need to be changed. When does the transmission/engine/turbo need to be rebuilt? Also... Has anyone put in a centerforce dualfriction clutch... good/bad results. I heard that high-pressure clutchs damage the engine main bearing over time. By the way... after the car is paid off... I'll buy someother car and this one will spend it remaining years Road Racing ... :) Any/all help is appreciated Thank You Tom Harrington =========================================================================== I am Clinton of Borg. Prepare your money for assimilation. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Harrington, NCNE -- Las Vegas-Clark County Library District -- | Internet tomh@lvccld.lib.nv.us | Autocrossing, the only way to WWW Coming Soon... | learn to drive. Telphone 702.733.6260 | Las Vegas Region SCCA / SOLO II Fax 702.732.7271 | 'A' Stock #94 Note: NCNE - Non-Certified Network Engineer =========================================================================== ------------------------------ From: uunet!mpf.jpl.nasa.gov!dsmyth (David Smyth) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 95 10:00:25 PST Subject: Re: BFG T/A R-1 (was: tires) A follow-up: Yesterday, I replaced the R-1 tires on our Protege with Yoko AVS Intermediates. These Yoko AVS tires were recommended by both tire shops I use as being "the best" high performance street tires. I know - that means "the best we carry with the biggest mark-up." But I got a good price: (195-60ZR14) $490 out the door ($99 per tire plus balancing plus sales tax plus federal excise tax plus EPA tax plus CA recycling tax, ...). They are nicer road tires than the R-1 (MUCH quieter, the entire car no longer sounds like its going to rattle apart). And they are still quiet at the limit (no squeelling when sliding around corners), and they transition nicely and slide smoothly, with very high cornering forces. But man, they are not even CLOSE to the same level of performance as those R-1 tires. 50mph ramps are now 45mph. My MkI on P-6 tires now outcorners the Protege again. In case you are wondering, my MkI has P-6 tires because I like they way they handle -- they remind me of my old 914. I know they are not the best handling tires. Its a nostalgia thing. Also, I just got my "BFG Racing Team Newsletter" (or whatever its called). Its at home, so this is a little fuzzy, but interesting anyway: At some major SCCA event in September, there were 72 classes, and R-1 equipped cars won 68 classes, and in fact got 1-2-3 in all of those 68 classes. Complete domination of the street-like-car classes. (maybe the numbers were 88 and 84, or 55 and 51, but you get the idea). ______________________________________________________________________ | David E. Smyth David.E.Smyth@jpl.nasa.gov |_ | Mars Pathfinder Flight Software -- Object-Oriented Software for Mars | | |______________________________________________________________________| | | "It isn't exactly rocket science... well, I guess maybe it is..." | | |______________________________________________________________________| | |______________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------ From: Derek Motloch Date: Tue, 05 Dec 95 14:05:12 -0500 Subject: Travel Time.... Hey everyone.... I am currently planning a trip towards Florda, then accross the southern states, up to Vagas, and into California. This trip will be streached out over about a month.... and I was wondering if anyone is interested in meeting up somewhere...or perhaps getting a few people together along the route. Also, any advice on preparing for this road trip.... ie... my 91 MR2...etc...would be great... I've thought of a few things...but any other ideas that I could miss would be good to know. Let me know if anyone is interested.... - --------------------------------------------- Derek Motloch - 91na dmotloch@serix.com http://serix.com/~dmotloch/ - --------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: uunet!ukonline.co.uk!david.cole Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 19:11:40 GMT Subject: the 'cat' that's not At 02:19 05/12/95 PST, you wrote: > >mr2-digest Tuesday, 5 December 1995 Volume 01 : Number 050 >From: uunet!aol.com!AstonMrtn >Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 00:45:33 -0500 >Subject: RE: the 'second cat' conspiracy > > >Ok, first off, that little box on the header pipe IS a catalytic convertor! >Wanna get rid of it? Do what I'm gonna do - buy a header pipe for the 49 >states MR2s for $185 at your Toyota dealer (or go to a junkyard if you want). > This part does NOT have that second cat on it (ie easy 5hp). Matt/All The small 'silencer' just before the main end silencer (at the back of the car) is NOT at cat. Remember that this is a UK spec. model. I had a look at the mirco-fisch @ Toyota, and it just happens to be in the same position as the US spec. with one cat fitted. So, the problem that I have is connecting the very back silencer to the long flow pipe. If you look on page 89 of the MK1 Owner's Manual, there's a diagram of a Mk1 with 1 cat fitted at the back, on my car, that's a normal silencer. ____________________________________________________________ |Reply to: | | | |David Cole david.cole@ukonline.co.uk | |Satellite Times Fax: (0181) 677 8223 | |Radio & Listings Sub-Editor | |23 Mitcham Lane | |Streatham, SW16 6LQ | |____________________________________________________________| ------------------------------ From: "-=[-KeNdRiCK W.-]=-" Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 22:33:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: toe-heeling I have trouble toe-heeling in my 93T. Even with large performance pedals, I find it difficult to blip the gas while braking. For one thing, the gas pedal is too far behind the brake pedal, hence it is hard to touch the throttle when my toes are on the brake. Even when the brakes are pressed all the way in, I can't touch the throttle enough to rev up the rpm. Is there a special method to pratice this technique? if so , please share it. 93' Turbo |\__/+--+-\____ |-\ /-|-----\|-----\ @50.8k Km |_--##---------=>| \/ | |_) /|--) _) @== "(*)------(*)-/ | |\/| | _ < __/ /__ [KeNdRiCk W.] "Betty" |_| |_|_| \_\|_______| ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V1 #51